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    Default turned a flushdraw+pair , any other options to play it?

    villain is unknown , basically first hand at the table

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($5)
    UTG ($3.95)
    MP ($5.40)
    Hero (CO) ($5.33)
    Button ($3.67)
    SB ($9.02)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K, 3
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.17, Button calls $0.17, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.41) 7, 3, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.81) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

    River: ($1.41) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises $2.65, 1 fold

    Total pot: $2.41
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    All good.

    Actually maybe I raise river less but whatever, sometimes they call this with an ace at the micros.
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    I bet or c/r the turn. Your equity just went through the roof.
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    yeah i was thinking the same but then again if i get raised off my hand here it's pretty disgusting to get it in with like 25% equity , jup he has fold equity but on this A hi board i'm doubting that i ahve alot of FE . unless he was stubborn with some mid PP
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    Never c/r turn pls, it's only good vs those who float dry A high flops, you have basically zero FE if he has an ace


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    Can I ask why you played K3s. Fold preflop and even if you won please don't be results oriented.
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    lol dude , blinds were supernits and the btn was pretty tag , hency why i opened extremely light , obv too light but i just joined the table and don't mind setting up a bit of an image first few orbits with questionable hands
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    Nothing wrong with opening K3s on the CO 6handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da da duhh View Post
    Can I ask why you played K3s. Fold preflop and even if you won please don't be results oriented.
    The open's fine for a steal attempt but c/f flop. The runner, runner is like next to no outs, something like 1.5 and the micros love to play Ax. As played: all good.

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    c/f flop? It's ace high and we raised, why are we raising K3 if we're not going to cbet an ace high flop? We have equity on the flop, not much but we still can rep the ace. b/f flop, which seems to be the line our hero took. Turn, I think I prefer c/c or c/f to control the pot, don't want to get raised now. Calling 30c is fine. River, I like the c/r, but I prefer a smaller raise to hero's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotglass View Post
    The open's fine for a steal attempt but c/f flop. The runner, runner is like next to no outs, something like 1.5 and the micros love to play Ax. As played: all good.
    Our cbet will be +EV which is why we should not c/f flop. This board is great to bluff on (the flop).

    I'd fire turn (not c/r). River is decent because a lot of players who bet small are doing so to get a cheap showdown and will fold to a large raise. Reads of course helps out with this.

    Also, please delete "1 fold" on the river next time you post because it shows the result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    c/f flop? It's ace high and we raised, why are we raising K3 if we're not going to cbet an ace high flop? We have equity on the flop, not much but we still can rep the ace. b/f flop, which seems to be the line our hero took. Turn, I think I prefer c/c or c/f to control the pot, don't want to get raised now. Calling 30c is fine. River, I like the c/r, but I prefer a smaller raise to hero's.
    I mistyped, I meant bet/fold. I've got fat finger syndrome this morning, my spelling sucks anyways and I'm hungover....sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotglass View Post
    I mistyped, I meant bet/fold. I've got fat finger syndrome this morning, my spelling sucks anyways and I'm hungover....sorry
    lol fair enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    villain is unknown , basically first hand at the table
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    lol dude , blinds were supernits and the btn was pretty tag


    How can both of these things be true? I'd fold pf until I had better reads.
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    I think the check raise river is FPS.
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    absolutely bluff turn somehow someway. i know fish always have a million Ax in their range, and there isn't a shittonne of FE, but if you look into how much FE you need for it to be profitable with this many outs, you would be able to see EV's here. also, we have super low showdown value against his range.

    c/r'ing is stupid because a bet from him vastly increases the likelihood that he has a top pair+ hand and he's not going to fold it just because c/r'ing's supposed to be a strong play. so yeah, leading out is the best way to get him off Tx, random other pairs, and random KQ type stuff he was stubborn with on the flop, and i don't expect to get raised very much at all here (in which case it'll prolly be a retardedly small size and an easy call against a strong range).

    as played, i'd lead river fairly big (1.20+). he's far more likely to call a bet with an A than he is to value bet it himself and there are very few hands in his range we should expect him to turn into a bluff
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    as far as preflop goes, it's a TAD loose if it's a table of unknowns (i'm confused as to whether it is or not). it's not a very fun hand to play against unknowns with the potentiality of being OOP. it doesn't flop equity very often (in fact you basically flopped the second best draw you possibly could have), even in the rare case that you get the flush it's not the nuts, one of the pairs you could flop is useless and the other one is outkicked by everything (meaning you can't get a ton of value with it against unknowns), etc. i mean, if it's a taggy BU and nitty blinds, then go for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    lol dude , blinds were supernits and the btn was pretty tag , hency why i opened extremely light , obv too light but i just joined the table and don't mind setting up a bit of an image first few orbits with questionable hands
    villain is unknown , basically first hand at the table
    I smell bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I smell bullshit.
    i just lol at ur contribution. why would i lie about the fact that it was my first hand and that villain was an unknown? don't tell me you never had an unknown at ur table the first hand you played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    villain is unknown , basically first hand at the table

    lol dude , blinds were supernits and the btn was pretty tag , hency why i opened extremely light , obv too light but i just joined the table and don't mind setting up a bit of an image first few orbits with questionable hands
    ^^^ That's the bullshit.

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    lol , maybe so , it's the beginners circle after all
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    terrible attitude itt.

    am I going to avoid threads started by thelonggrind? hmmm, maybe
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