Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote Originally Posted by LawDude
a lot of live players don't process information about others at the table.
This is wrong.

However, they will often misapply or ignore the information they gather.

I think the guy to my left clearly understood the message I sent when I re-raised him to $400 flat and left him to wonder if I bluffed him or not.
If he understood, he understood. But Fnord, you need to play at the tables I play at before you deny that players don't process information at the table. I have literally shown the same player down 5 times in a row and won. I have check-raised 4 times with strong hands and still haven't induced anyone to fold the 5th time. I have watched the same players call my pre-flop raises over and over after seeing me do it and turn over big cards.

Most importantly, I see these same players not process information from other players at the table. Some absolute nit will suddenly wake up and start raising with 3 cards to a flush on the table, and they'll get calls by players who have middle pair(!).

I wasn't speaking of your hand-- I totally believe you when you say your villain was processing information. But I constantly sit down at tables with players who have no idea what is going on in the hands other than whatever cards they had and whether they form a good hand. Knowing who is processing information at the table and who isn't is fundamental to low-stakes live poker.