TPGK mw deep 5nl

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($6.36)
UTG+1 ($3.46)
MP1 ($3.95)
Hero ($22.09)
MP3 ($12.93)
CO ($6.10)
BTN ($10.32)
SB ($4.04)
BB ($9.65)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is MP2
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15

k, thats gay. mp3 is 6/3 over 200, btn is 9/4 over 50, sb and bb are 30/4 fish

Flop: ($1, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.65, MP3 calls $0.65, BTN calls $0.65, SB folds, BB folds

One issue is that QT is definitely in the sb, and bbs range. i guess they checked so its unlikely.

Other is that mp3 and btn are nits. they'll have AQ/AJ a bunch, KQ a bunch, and TT a bunch. their ranges are easily defined but their value range crushes mine. I guess i have to bet to, if nothing else, protect my hand (omg he said the protect word) because if the nits are gone this hand gets real easy to play vs sb and bb since ill be in position and they can easily have worse Queens

Turn: ($2.95, 3 players)
Hero ($21.24)?

k, i didnt really want that. both nits are still in, effective stacks 400, maybe 420bbs.

hero kicks a puppy and aims to check fold?

i don't think you're ever getting value when called (on the turn, if you bet), plus they're nits so aren't likely to be bluffing much, if at all, when checked to. seems like a check/fold to me. i probably bet 0.75-80 on the flop too fwiw, we're never getting much value from TPGK vs the nits ranges so the more value we get from the fish ($ value as well as the value of being IP vs fish without a nit to our left on the turn, which would make extraction harder)

You should have left the table on your last big blind because of the stack sizes. Now because you didn't, you have to deal with this kind of thing.

is it too nitty to fold pre

he said they are 9/4 and 6/3...idk about the co but i am leaning towards yes it is too nitty to fold pre

Oh sorry I didn't really read all of it. Definately std if we'd have position against fishy blinds post.

Defo don't fold pre this is a great oppertunity to get into a riased pot vs two fish with a hand that lol dominates their calling ranges.

Kinda sucks in this turn spot vs the niots, defo don't ever c/c whatever you do lol.

So that leaves us with either b/f or c/f. If we get enough value from their calling ranges to be +EV then we b/f. So what are their calling ranges on this turn. AQ, KQ, QJs, ThX, QT, TT, 55 - something very close to that - stove time imo.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.119% 36.88% 07.24% 649 127.50 { KdQc }
Hand 1: 55.881% 48.64% 07.24% 856 127.50 { TT, 55, AQs, AhTh, KJs+, KhTh, QTs+, JhTh, Th9h, AQo, KJo+

Pretty gay that we have to c/f here, but 2 uber nits, wtf can you do

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

You should have left the table on your last big blind because of the stack sizes. Now because you didn't, you have to deal with this kind of thing.

Is this because im a fish that cant play deep very well, or because the nits are both deep and have massive IO against me? I really didnt think about leaving ever due to the deep fish in the bb and the other one in the sb who i got my stack off of.

@others: kk, i figured this was a standard c/f kind of spot and just wanted to verify.

hero checks, both nits check behind, although the BTN nit thought for a bit before checking.

River is

nothing changed, and hero checks again. results in white in case the 8c does actually change something but i doubt it

both villains check again, mp3 shows KsQs and btn shows KhJh. Based on this, i can kind of see spoons point of leaving (unless im being leveled). They showed up with the bottom of their range but all they had to do was bet for me to be S.O.L. Lesson: playing OOP against strong ranges deep is really fucking gay

I'm not in love with KQ, nor board texture, but you still have TPGK and your opps can call flop will all sorts of hands. I'd be inclined to make a half pot bet and see what happens.

You could be up against AQ and QT type hands and that would be bad. But you could almost as easily be up against J9s, JJ, AK, AT, KJ, AJ, QJ, and maybe even some trashier hands that now have heart flush draw.


I think it's a little too early to check and fold.

Originally Posted by shallam

I'm not in love with KQ, nor board texture, but you still have TPGK and your opps can call flop will all sorts of hands. I'd be inclined to make a half pot bet and see what happens.

You could be up against AQ and QT type hands and that would be bad. But you could almost as easily be up against J9s, JJ, AK, AT, KJ, AJ, QJ, and maybe even some trashier hands that now have heart flush draw.


I think it's a little too early to check and fold.

I think youre overestimating just how many hands a 6/3 nit is gonna call with here, and how easy it is for them to put me in a gay spot for 400bbs

Originally Posted by JKDS

I think youre overestimating just how many hands a 6/3 nit is gonna call with here, and how easy it is for them to put me in a gay spot for 258.6bbs

fyp

lol, i dont want to count how many times i said 400 :/

You might be right. I see that the PT stats have a profound effect on the perceptions of how to play this hand.


Do the stats include enough hands to make the numbers reliable ? Those numbers seem shallow.


BTW, I couldn't find your opps hand. I know you said it was in white by I couldn't find it.

Originally Posted by shallam

You might be right. I see that the PT stats have a profound effect on the perceptions of how to play this hand.


Do the stats include enough hands to make the numbers reliable ? Those numbers seem shallow.


BTW, I couldn't find your opps hand. I know you said it was in white by I couldn't find it.

i think so. the 6/3 is over 200 hands, so hes raised 6 and played a total of 12 over the course of 20 orbits. so hes not really stealing alot, hes not calling people down light, hes not raising a wide range anywhere or 3betting alot, he just seems to be a guy that waits for big hands...otherwise he wouldnt be so tight over this many hands.

The results are in that post..but the hands done so mp3 had KQs and the btn had KhJh.

Interesting. Were the shown down hands consistent with the expectations based on those stats ?


The hands seem pretty standard normal to me, maybe even slightly loose. They don't seem consistent with an overly nitty opp. I'm not at all clear what the variance would be like over 200 hands -- I would wonder about the reliablity of those numbers.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Is this because im a fish that cant play deep very well, or because the nits are both deep and have massive IO against me? I really didnt think about leaving ever due to the deep fish in the bb and the other one in the sb who i got my stack off of.

Because the majority of the time you're playing big pots where all of the money could go in you're going to be out of position.