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  1. #1

    Default TP+good kicker, villain donkbets allin on turn

    Villain was 36/8 over 80 hands and liked to do some really weird stuff like openshove from UTG etc.

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    NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
    SB ($4)
    BB ($5.91)
    Hero ($4.68)
    CO ($4.98)
    BTN ($16.01)

    Dealt to Hero J A

    Hero raises to $0.16, fold, BTN calls $0.16, fold, BB calls $0.12

    FLOP ($0.50) A 8 K

    BB bets $0.37, Hero raises to $1.12, BTN folds, BB calls $0.75

    TURN ($2.74) A 8 K 2

    BB bets $4.36, Hero ???

    I really have no idea what to do in this spot. Easy fold? Easy call?
  2. #2
    Not a fan of your flop play, you're folding out two ranges you don't need to be folding out:

    1. BBs spazz/air gut shots etc

    2. BUs marginal Ax/Kx hands that have few outs and will call at least one pos 2 streets if you dont raise the flop.

    I'd flat the flop, let bb spazz lead the turn and hapiily still bet the turn to build a pot if he checks. As played this is just really villain dependant and can be a call vs a lot of fish who just have loads of Ax here and always check better and try to extract more "value" with their nut hands. With the info you give I'd lean towards calling, but vs some passive fish thats a big mistake, just depends what you've seen of his postflop game.
  3. #3
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  5. #5
    so im just going to see if my thought process on this is near correct:

    by raising the flop, without reads that opp overvalues any pair and is a massive station, you basically force your opp to polarize his range, where hes either going to have a very strong hand for when he does call you, or he's (possibly, or possibly not) going to have total air. Either way, if you assume he doesnt bluff a large % of the time, youre putting yourself into a spot where youre most likely going to lose a big pot since you have a medium strength hand.

    on the other hand, if you polarize your raising range here, he possibly calls the flop with mid aces a8-aj, and you get value from him, and put him into tough spots.


    although, that said, when we flop really big hands on a board like this that are pretty dry, it seems like it makes our hand fairly transparent, and we end up losing a lot of value on later streets, where we could just call, call/bet, raise/bet.

    so what kind of range should we be looking to reraise on this flop, if any?
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  6. #6
    In this kind of spot, I go through the hand history while the clock ticks. Any sign he can do this as a bluff or with a weak ace, I'd call, otherwise just fold and wait for a better spot, which there will be plenty of.
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