Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
in the case that he NEVER has bluffs in his range, we have sick implied odds because he's always stacking off when we hit
I agree that he's always (or at least 99% of always) stacking off, but let's assume we *must* make at least a full house on the river to win the showdown.

On the turn, stacks are $3.24. Hero checks, and villain bets, and hero must call $1 to win $1.87 immediately, with a chance to win $2.24 - $0.32 rake on the river. Those are implied odds of 1 to 3.79, and the odds of filling up are commonly 1 to 4, which is just to much.

Let's also not forget, we don't win every time we fill up, and get all in, and we don't get all in every time we fill up.

We win a load of other ways, so it's fine, but I don't think implied fill up odds are quite enough. Maybe I'm calculating rake wrong. It's just an academic point.