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  1. #1

    Default Top Two facing ugly turn action

    Vills were loose-aggressive. Too loose pflop? Turn b/f good? How is the bet sizing throughout? In hindsight I kinda feel like I undervalued my hand while it was happening, and that influenced my fold more than my opponents actions, which is really weird/dumb. I'm pretty much giving the BB cred. for the flush here. I'm getting great odds on the call but I felt I was drawing to 4 cards really often.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP2) ($10.70)
    CO ($5.05)
    Button ($5.45)
    SB ($25.25)
    BB ($9)
    UTG ($7.50)
    UTG+1 ($10)
    MP1 ($9.20)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, J
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30

    Flop: ($1.65) 6, Q, 7 (4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, 1 fold, BB calls $1.20

    Turn: ($5.25) J (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $3, CO raises to $3.45 (All-In), BB raises to $6.45, Hero folds

    River: ($15.15) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $15.15 | Rake: $0.70
    Ich grolle nicht...
  2. #2
    BB has to have the flush.

    CO has to like his hand too, nobody's folding for 45c, so if not TPTK (one of your outs gone) he probably has a set?
  3. #3
    I think the reason it is little response so far is that this hand is very difficult.

    On the one hand you "know" you are behind,- on the other hand you are getting tremendous odds, have a nut draw, have a strong hand and are playing against some Loose/aggressive players.

    If I had a strong read i would fold, but this is an easy call without.
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  4. #4
    there's no way you're ahead here imo. i can't see anyone re-raising without having a hand that beats you
  5. #5
    I'm with AF here. I don't see anyway we're ahead here in a 3 way pot. BB has only left $0.95 behind, and is effectively AI. Unless he's just a total manic, he has you beat. So you're essentially looking at another $4.50 here with only 4 outs on the river. You have about 23% pot odds here with only 8% on you hand. I'm folding.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by AFchung
    there's no way you're ahead here imo. i can't see anyone re-raising without having a hand that beats you
    Really?

    Every player is different. A Scandinavian style LAG could easily represent a flush here without having it. Other possibilites are the Ace of spade with rag/pair, a straight draw with a pair, AA, KK + a lot of random crap.

    Depends on who and where you play oc, but i saw a lot of random action at my stay in the micros.
  7. #7
    That's an awful LAG bluff into this kinda pot with one player already AI and no hammer.
  8. #8
    "That's an awful LAG bluff"- spot on!

    It is microstakes and people do the weirdest things. Know your opponent, do not assume he is rational until proven otherwise.

    I agree with a fold- I just disagree it is a routine fold. People should have good reasons for folding top two.
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    A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
    A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
  9. #9
    For me the deciding factor in this is whether the BB is a real maniac or not. Unless he is I fold this here, way too much chance We're drawing to 4 outs on the river.
  10. #10
    One of them had that flush IMO. I think it was a good fold but in microstakes you never really know. But why would the second guy go all in with anything but a flush? I mean why not just call......and maybe check it down with you on the river, instead of just going all in and giving away his money because you had the flush. I bet he had a flush and the shortstack had trips or something.
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