These fish are HORRIBLE

Yet still taking my money lol

Dealt to hartlis3 [ Js Ts ]
dr_quach folds.
strus1 folds.
AndBynd folds.
TheZombi folds.
Davidium78 calls [$0.25].
jamiejamison_ calls [$0.25].
AEDREAD folds.
fuuuluuu folds.
hartlis3 calls [$0.15].
jjpoker95 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 8s, 6s ]
>You have options at Coelestina (No DP) Table!.
hartlis3 bets [$0.40].
jjpoker95 folds.
Davidium78 folds.
jamiejamison_ calls [$0.40].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
hartlis3 bets [$1].
jamiejamison_ calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
hartlis3 bets [$2].
jamiejamison_ calls [$2].
hartlis3 shows [ Js, Ts ] a flush, jack high.
jamiejamison_ shows [ As, 3s ] a flush, ace high.
jamiejamison_ wins $7.45 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.

Damn his line is sick, he could be beat there, so he probably shouldn't raise yes?

He was obviously afraid of the nuts, I think his line was just fine!

wowwwwwwwwwwwwww

Yeah those straight flushes are nasty, best to play it safe!

OMG MOST AWESOME SMOOTH CALL EVER

btw

givemyleg

your avatar pwns

in case u didn't know

fwiw I've seen multiple hh's where people have just called closing the action on the river with the nuts (ie 2 card nut flush or 2 card nut straight).

so have I.

startling everytime nonetheless for somebody trying to make money playing this game.

it just goes to show how massive a decent player's edge is in these games

hi guys,

First post here, I was just wondering how you can have a kicker with a flush?

If you have 4s5s and he has 8s9s and the board is 2s Ks As X X then you are said to have "flush with 5 kicker" and he is said to have "flush with 9 kicker" and he wins the pot.

He already said that it was an Ace high flush against a Jack high though.

Yes, my kicker is the J, his is the A

A > J so he wins

I think I know that guy's PokerStars screen name.

POKERSTARS GAME #5356572599: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/06/24 - 23:26:15 (ET)
Table 'Justitia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Edony ($102.35 in chips)
Seat 2: DAPPER.CO.UK ($195.85 in chips)
Seat 3: rossam ($41.10 in chips)
Seat 4: mooman17 ($186.40 in chips)
Seat 5: mcatdog ($109.10 in chips)
Edony: posts small blind $0.50
DAPPER.CO.UK: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mcatdog [Qc 7d]
rossam: folds
mooman17: raises $2 to $3
mcatdog: folds
Edony: calls $2.50
DAPPER.CO.UK: raises $2 to $5
mooman17: calls $2
Edony: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4d Tc Kd]
Edony: checks
DAPPER.CO.UK: bets $11
mooman17: calls $11
Edony: folds
*** TURN *** [4d Tc Kd] [Ah]
DAPPER.CO.UK: bets $18
mooman17: raises $18 to $36
DAPPER.CO.UK: raises $18 to $54
mooman17: raises $19 to $73
DAPPER.CO.UK: raises $19 to $92
mooman17: raises $19 to $111
DAPPER.CO.UK: raises $19 to $130
mooman17: raises $19 to $149
DAPPER.CO.UK: raises $19 to $168
mooman17: raises $2.40 to $170.40 and is all-in
DAPPER.CO.UK: calls $2.40
*** RIVER *** [4d Tc Kd Ah] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DAPPER.CO.UK: shows [Qh Ad] (a pair of Aces)
mooman17: shows [Jh Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
mooman17 collected $375.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $377.80 | Rake $2
Board [4d Tc Kd Ah 7h]
Seat 1: Edony (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: DAPPER.CO.UK (big blind) showed [Qh Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: rossam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mooman17 showed [Jh Qd] and won ($375.80) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: mcatdog (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

You guys seem to forget smooth calling a bet on the river means you get to see their cards. If they're going to fold to a bet anyways, I'd rather smooth call and sacrifice potential profit for a little intel if I don't know a lot about my opponent.

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

You guys seem to forget smooth calling a bet on the river means you get to see their cards. If they're going to fold to a bet anyways, I'd rather smooth call and sacrifice potential profit for a little intel if I don't know a lot about my opponent.

no

This call ownz that other call:


***** Hand History for Game 3507155182 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 06, 20:04:10 EDT 2006
Table Table 67044 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: titolee13 ( $26.60 )
Seat 2: showdown83 ( $35.70 )
Seat 3: blyle31 ( $38.80 )
Seat 4: pkyhoho ( $49.88 )
Seat 5: Elenna ( $25 )
Seat 6: freemoney2k6 ( $9.50 )
Seat 7: UGADawgz ( $13.94 )
Seat 8: LottiePea ( $24.05 )
Seat 9: nitsud05 ( $35.55 )
Seat 10: Two_Orange ( $24.75 )
nitsud05 posts small blind [$0.10].
Two_Orange posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Two_Orange [ 2d 3d ]
titolee13 folds.
showdown83 calls [$0.25].
blyle31 folds.
pkyhoho calls [$0.25].
Elenna folds.
freemoney2k6 folds.
UGADawgz folds.
LottiePea folds.
nitsud05 folds.
Two_Orange checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Kd, Ad ]
Two_Orange bets [$1].
showdown83 calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 64929 Table!.
pkyhoho calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Two_Orange: lol
Two_Orange checks.
showdown83 checks.
pkyhoho checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
Two_Orange bets [$2].
showdown83 calls [$2].
nitsud05: royal beats quad aces, remember...
nitsud05: lol
Two_Orange: lol
pkyhoho folds.
Two_Orange shows [ 2d, 3d ] a flush, ace high.
showdown83 shows [ Ks, Jd ] Royal Flush.
showdown83 wins $7.50 from the main pot with Royal Flush.

Maybe he didn't know he was allowed to raise.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

You guys seem to forget smooth calling a bet on the river means you get to see their cards. If they're going to fold to a bet anyways, I'd rather smooth call and sacrifice potential profit for a little intel if I don't know a lot about my opponent.

no

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Originally Posted by Greedo017

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

You guys seem to forget smooth calling a bet on the river means you get to see their cards. If they're going to fold to a bet anyways, I'd rather smooth call and sacrifice potential profit for a little intel if I don't know a lot about my opponent.

no

Yeah, I keep forgetting that in a lot of hand histories if you bet/raise the river and they call you get their cards in the log even if they muck.

Who the hell cares about intel.. care about money first!

Are you gonna throw away potential value just to figure out that, yes, this guy is a donk!

My girlfriend when smooth-calling the river with the nuts: "Well, you just would've folded anyway."

Don't royal flushes have to go to a show down in order to receive a royal flush jackpot...??? so if you are playing at a sight that has a royal flush jackpot it would make sense to just call.....i could be wrong please don't flame me

Originally Posted by Rockymv

My girlfriend when smooth-calling the river with the nuts: "Well, you just would've folded anyway."

Then she said, "PUSH YOUR NUTS HARDER!!!"

Originally Posted by jackvance

Who the hell cares about intel.. care about money first!

Are you gonna throw away potential value just to figure out that, yes, this guy is a donk!

Yeah in hindsight it was a pretty dumb comment. I'll have to work on that. I really hate playing nut flushes on non-paired boards. I never know how much to bet to get paid off. I've tried 25%,50%,100%,125%, and 150% of the pot and I just can't find an amount that will consistently get paid off. So my question to you all is how much is the "I don't have the nut flush" bet?

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

You guys seem to forget smooth calling a bet on the river means you get to see their cards. If they're going to fold to a bet anyways, I'd rather smooth call and sacrifice potential profit for a little intel if I don't know a lot about my opponent.

At online tables, where people come and go from table to table so quickly trying to get any info on any player that isnt another deep stack who you feel will be around for a while is incredibly bad.

I had a hand recently where I raised a guy on a river becuase he weakbet and he quickly flat calls with the nuts. It was wierd.

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

Yeah in hindsight it was a pretty dumb comment. I'll have to work on that. I really hate playing nut flushes on non-paired boards. I never know how much to bet to get paid off. I've tried 25%,50%,100%,125%, and 150% of the pot and I just can't find an amount that will consistently get paid off. So my question to you all is how much is the "I don't have the nut flush" bet?

I think you're going about this the wrong way.. sometimes, if they really have nothing to speak of, they're not calling, period. If they have shown some sort of liking of their hand, just go allin. If they don't, 3/4 pot or so.

Originally Posted by AceRagSuited

Originally Posted by jackvance

Who the hell cares about intel.. care about money first!

Are you gonna throw away potential value just to figure out that, yes, this guy is a donk!

Yeah in hindsight it was a pretty dumb comment. I'll have to work on that. I really hate playing nut flushes on non-paired boards. I never know how much to bet to get paid off. I've tried 25%,50%,100%,125%, and 150% of the pot and I just can't find an amount that will consistently get paid off. So my question to you all is how much is the "I don't have the nut flush" bet?

Well, it's not a bet, its how you played the hand. if you just call on the flop, spade hits the turn you check and he checks and then you lead at the river, you've probably got the flush.

i just played a hand where the board was 666KK, i bet 360 chips (1000 left) and the guy minraised me. I called of course, he had quads.

WHY DIDN'T HE RAISE ALLIN!

Originally Posted by Dislexsik

This call ownz that other call:
nitsud05: royal beats quad aces, remember...
nitsud05: lol
Two_Orange: lol
pkyhoho folds.
Two_Orange shows [ 2d, 3d ] a flush, ace high.
showdown83 shows [ Ks, Jd ] Royal Flush.
showdown83 wins $7.50 from the main pot with Royal Flush.

Lol that's amazing. In some respects it's even worse than the guy who folded to my bet when there was a Royal on the board.