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 Originally Posted by biondino
If the guy has an ace he's not going to let you check down for cheap,
Ya exactly. QQ/JJ etc. is not going to be to eager about putting their whole stack in here so if he bets strong on two streets you can read that as an A and fold correctly.
Originally Posted by biondino
so your way involves at tery least calling one bet before you fold.
Yep. check/calling gains value from QQ/JJ and other hands you can beat because they bet the flop thinking they are ahead of your check. It gains value from a bluff (and alot of people see this flop as a good bluffing oppertunity). Checking also reps an A better then betting.
On the other hand check/calling loses value against someone with an A.
Originally Posted by biondino
Why not be the one who makes the bet, then you both retain fold equity and you can choose how much to invest?
What good is FE against a hand which you can beat in a showdown anyway? You have no FE against a villan with an A.
On the other hand, lets look at betting the flop.
Hands which you can beat QQ/JJ/Bluff just fold. EV = 0
Hands which beat you raise (or call). EV = negative
So, where can the value for this bet come from?
Does this make sense to anyone else? I could be way off base here.
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