thanks for all your help guys..i tried the poker stove but it got me in alot of trouble..lol ill do it in my head..itll pay off in the end im sure.. % from flop to turn is outs x 4 and from turn to river is outs x 2 correct?? and i also tried a different method..i start at 2nl and when i get up to 5 i take a break then move to 5nl and so on and so forth until i feel im being outplayed..ive made it to 20nl and walked away..but the next day i made it to 50nl and lost it all which sucks..dosent affect my bankroll much in a way but it does in the sense i doubled it and lost it all.. what do you think?? should i stick to 2nl until my bankroll alows me to move up or keep doin what im doing??