SNG Turbo's When do they become Crap shots?

My question is simple,

At what number of entrants do turbo SNG's/Tournaments become -EV? Obviously I'm not looking for a concrete answer, id like to know more or less if anybody is able to sustain a constant profit over a long period of time?

I'm asking because i just won a 80 player Turbo at micro limits $3.0 + Rake on FT and they look well semi sustainable at the Single Table / 2 Table SNGs but anything above seems to be a shove and hope competition.

Your thoughts?

Ok i'v only posted here once before but i want to be active on these forums because basicaly i have been a loser poker player since iv started for a year and this is my first positive month over 50k+ hands Mostly due to reading and studying the game through FTR.

As much detail on this would be fantastic, obviously it would vary over, limits / rake / players etc... however the main thing I'm looking at here would be the blind timers and there effect on all of this...

it's a function of rake and player ability
I don't know how fast the blinds rise and so forth
but even with low effective stacks a good player should have an edge until everyone's under 10BB at which point the edge becomes very slight

Originally Posted by amifat

My question is simple,At what number of entrants do turbo SNG's/Tournaments become -EV?

The second you click the register button.

I sometimes play the 1$ 3-minute level sng's at party, and still no crap shoot. The variance is higher, but the players are so ridiculously bad that you can just lean back and watch them take each other out. Once you get a hand - usually nobody has noticed that you didn't play a hand since the tourney began, and they call you with crap.
I don't like sng's so much, but if I run bad at the cash games I will throw in some 5 min. level sng's.
I think most players loosen up way too much early on, and tighten up too much later on. So if you wait for hands, and then start stealing early enough when you get short you can do very well. - I'm talking about $3 to $6 turbos here, haven't played any higher.

I also don't play multi-table sng's... takes too long