Since the loss of Neteller, has online play gotten tougher?

I haven't played online since early January and just before I was about to make a deposit large enough to give me an adaquate bankroll was when Neteller shut down. I am considering opening an ePassporte account but before I do I want to know if the fish are disappearing on Pstars. If so I may need to start playing live at the local casinos.
I mostly play $5 sng's and tourneys btw. I don't like ring as much.

Thanks for the help!

How much is an adequate bankroll? I've got a few guys on the coast (including myself) that will take your real $$$ and transfer it to your PStars account. That's how it's been going between my poker buddies.

$5.50s are super fishy as usual. To ease your worries I'd recommend using the free sharkscope tournament picker to make sure you only join the 1+fish games.

I'd concur the games are getting tougher

There's still money to be made if you're decent and you know where to look. As for 5+.5 SNGs... if you can't beat them for 30+% no matter what then you just need to improve.

I have found cash games to be difficult, especially 100NL. I imagine certain level SnGs will have become much harder. I know that turbos at say the $27 level are a lot harder now than they were a year ago. I haven't played a $55 SnG for a few months, but I bet those are difficult now.

salsa's right though, you should probably be able to beat $5.50 SnGs. I do think that the micro stakes SnG players on Stars have become a lot better than they were back when I first started on them, though.

If you like MTTs, maybe that's one place where you won't notice an immediate increase in level of difficulty. Once you get deep a few people will know what they're doing, but MTTs attract a lot of fish and some of these fish get deep and make money.

I totally just rambled. Just my opinions and thoughts.

Edit: this is all on Stars.

cash games are onlymore difficult if your american. The rest of the web is nice and easy baby!

Its noticably harder but still plenty beatable. Just be nice to Lee and make sure you dont doomswitch and youll be fine.

I stopped playing when Netteller went out, but just had a session tonight. It could be just a bad night for me, but Full Tilt is definitely felt more difficult, even $10NL and the $5.50 S&Gs. Of course, Full Tilt has always had a rep for being tougher than the majority, but there was a nice fishy point in between party pulling out and neteller going.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

cash games are onlymore difficult if your american. The rest of the web is nice and easy baby!

its niace

The 100NL Cash games on Stars seem very fishy to me. I'm obviously a master of all that is living and breathing. I am not a master of owning a car however, and I can't seem to get layed more than once a month.

Hopefully I am just getting better but the cheap NL's on bodog have been getting more profitable for me each month since I joined there. February will be my best month.

Bodog is incredibly fishy. Really really really fishy. If you sit down at any micro/low stakes at bodog either SNGs or ring games, you will crap yourself at how fishy they are during the evening (EST or PST).

In the standard $5.50 SnGs they have 10 people a table. Within one or two orbits I can basically promise you one or two players will all-in and leave with Ax or two face cards, which basically means free money for you. That extra seat compared to PStars doesn't even factor in, it's just an extra $5 to the prize pool.

the games are still incredibly juicy. (euro sites)

Hey guys, heres what youre missing!

Edit: best bit, villain in both claims to have been making a living from poker for 3 years (nice lie son)

Everest Poker — Hand Details

Table ID: -51154474
Play Mode: Real Money
Table Name: Dili-6
Game Type: Hold'em
Blinds: $0.50/$1.00
Stakes: $1.00/$1.00
Currency: USD
Starting Date: 2007-02-25 GMT
Starting Time: 15:02:08 GMT



Seating Arrangement:

Miffed22001 is at seat 1 with $100.00.
raminator is at seat 2 with $145.12.
skyblues is at seat 3 with $103.52.
phazerz is at seat 4 with $327.49.
ipokrates1 is at seat 5 with $147.84.
Pfadi is at seat 6 with $297.36.

Post Blinds:

The button is at seat 2.
skyblues posts the small blind of $0.50.
phazerz posts the big blind of $1.00.

Deal Pocket Cards:

Miffed22001: Ks Kd
raminator: -- --
skyblues: -- --
phazerz: -- --
ipokrates1: -- --
Pfadi: -- --

Pre-flop:
ipokrates1 folds.
Pfadi folds.
Miffed22001 raises $3.50.
raminator calls $3.50.
skyblues folds.
phazerz calls $2.50.


Flop (Kh 5c Jd):
phazerz checks.
Miffed22001 raises $7.00.
raminator folds.
phazerz calls $7.00.


Turn (Kh 5c Jd 3h):
phazerz checks.
Miffed22001 raises all in
phazerz calls all in


River (Kh 5c Jd 3h Qh):


Showdown:
phazerz shows Ah 10s.
phazerz has 10s Jd Qh Kh Ah: Straight
Miffed22001 shows Ad Kd.
Miffed22001 has Jd Qh Kd Kh Ad: Pair


Pot Summary:
Total Pot: $200.00
phazerz wins $162.00.
House Rake: $3.00



Everest Poker — Hand Details

Table ID: -51154474
Play Mode: Real Money
Table Name: Dili-6
Game Type: Hold'em
Blinds: $0.50/$1.00
Stakes: $1.00/$1.00
Currency: USD
Starting Date: 2007-02-25 GMT
Starting Time: 14:50:37 GMT



Seating Arrangement:

Miffed22001 is at seat 1 with $100.00.
raminator is at seat 2 with $152.40.
skyblues is at seat 3 with $113.02.
phazerz is at seat 4 with $212.35.
ipokrates1 is at seat 5 with $152.84.
Pfadi is at seat 6 with $294.86.

Post Blinds:

The button is at seat 5.
Pfadi posts the small blind of $0.50.
Miffed22001 posts the big blind of $1.00.

Deal Pocket Cards:

Miffed22001: Ad Ac
raminator: -- --
skyblues: -- --
phazerz: -- --
ipokrates1: -- --
Pfadi: -- --

Pre-flop:
raminator folds.
skyblues calls $1.00.
phazerz raises $4.50.
ipokrates1 folds.
Pfadi folds.
Miffed22001 raises $14.00.
skyblues folds.
phazerz calls $10.50.


Flop (2s 5h 5s):
Miffed22001 raises $31.50.
phazerz calls $31.50.


Turn (2s 5h 5s 3h):
Miffed22001 raises $53.50.
phazerz calls $53.50.


River (2s 5h 5s 3h 7s):

Showdown:
Miffed22001 shows Ad Ac.
Miffed22001 has 5h 5s 7s Ad Ac: Two Pair
phazerz shows 9s As.
phazerz has 2s 5s 7s 9s As: Flush


Pot Summary:
Total Pot: $201.50
phazerz wins $198.50.
House Rake: $3.00

Pokerstars still is fishy, see here, last night

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Mrhappy333 ($7.15)
UTG+1 ($3.70)
MP1 ($9.90)
MP2 ($10.10)
CO ($16.55)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($12.90)
BB ($22.80)

Preflop: Mrhappy333 is UTG with , .
Mrhappy333 raises to $0.7, 5 folds, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.50) , , (2 players)
SB bets $0.4, Mrhappy333 raises to $1, SB calls $0.60.

Turn: ($3.50) (2 players)
SB checks, Mrhappy333 bets $1.5, SB calls $1.50.

River: ($6.50) (2 players)
SB bets $2.4, Mrhappy333 raises to $3.95, SB calls $1.55.

Final Pot: $14.40

Results below:
SB has Jc Th (two pair, tens and twos).
Mrhappy333 has Qc Qh (full house, queens full of twos).
Outcome: Mrhappy333 wins $14.40.

I sat down at this table with $2, when I left I had $19

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Hey guys, heres what youre missing!

Riggedness? :P

im down 9 buy ins with QQ/KK/AA this week and its all on river suckouts, havent paid a set all week.

For some reason, I find Stars always a bit harder than the other sites I play. The cheaper SNGs just seem to be tougher than, say, Party or Syndicate and the cash games are my nemesis. I rarely have a decent session at Stars, in contrast to both the other sites.

Party is a cash cow for me and I rarely turn in a losing session (apart from Friday night and I blame the Shiraz for that), but I am probably break even or worse playing the $10NL games at Stars. The last session there saw me card dead for 2 hours and down over a buyin, as well as being frustrated to fuck with the slowness of the games.

Even though I hate the UI at Party, it's more beatable (as far as I am concerned) and hence I am more likely to play there whilst I am trying to get my way to being rolled for $25NL.

J

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Hey guys, heres what youre missing!

That´s why i left FTP and went back to EVP. And the donkishness increases exponential with lower limits.


Do u know, if Everest offers a rakeback deal?

Originally Posted by jameseyb

Party is a cash cow

i think the best part of the hand is how you changed your hole cards at showdown

lol
i´m looking over happy´s hand now for 5 mins.....i dont get it




edit: i got it.

miffed's hands at everest, not happys.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

miffed's hands at everest, not happys.

me play goot yah?

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

miffed's hands at everest, not happys.

me play goot yah?

You do but I think Everest is rigged. They changed your hand from KK to AK? WTF!!!!

Your showdown says one pair yet according to your hole card and the flop you should have had a set??

Originally Posted by Hornsta9

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

miffed's hands at everest, not happys.

me play goot yah?

You do but I think Everest is rigged. They changed your hand from KK to AK? WTF!!!!

Your showdown says one pair yet according to your hole card and the flop you should have had a set??

lol
no wonder it not compatible with PT

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Hornsta9

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

miffed's hands at everest, not happys.

me play goot yah?

You do but I think Everest is rigged. They changed your hand from KK to AK? WTF!!!!

Your showdown says one pair yet according to your hole card and the flop you should have had a set??

lol
no wonder it not compatible with PT

lol documents.
guess what the new PT patch added?

EVP poker rocks!!!

Opp 4 bets ALLIN vs my AA WITH........

74s WEEEEEE

villian had gone allin PF about 3 times in last orbit with a full stack without SD

No, the games have dried up, impossible to find any real fish in mid stakes games.

** Game ID 1233671510 starting - 2007-02-28 21:30:20
** Julianne [Hold 'em] (2.50|5.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 1 with $971.50
- Theilgaard05 sitting in seat 2 with $94.20
- jcljcl sitting in seat 3 with $708.00
- akfishing sitting in seat 4 with $625.01
- MrSkuda sitting in seat 5 with $265.85
- harry66 sitting in seat 6 with $485.00 [Dealer]

Cocco_Bill posted the small blind - $2.50
Theilgaard05 posted the big blind - $5.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :Ah:, :Ad:
jcljcl called - $5.00
akfishing folded
MrSkuda folded
harry66 folded
Cocco_Bill raised - $17.50
Theilgaard05 went all-in - $94.20
jcljcl called - $99.20
Cocco_Bill raised - $239.50
jcljcl called - $239.50

** Dealing the flop: , ,
Cocco_Bill checked
jcljcl bet - $250.00
Cocco_Bill raised - $500.00
jcljcl went all-in - $218.50

** Dealing the turn: :Jd:

** Dealing the river:
jcljcl shows: :Js:, :Ks:
Cocco_Bill shows: :Ah:, :Ad:
Theilgaard05 mucks: ,
Cocco_Bill wins $294.60 from the main pot
Cocco_Bill wins $1512.20 from side pot 1

End of game 1233671510

fuckin hell cocco

they are still out there, the fish, that is. you just have to look a bit harder than at party. table selection, and seat selection becomes more important. but, yes, there has been a difference. nothing you shouldnt be able to handle though.

Funniest hand I had on stars lately is when I had KJ 200xBB deep. Another 200xBB stack gave me all his money after the flop came KKJ, and he turned his pair of 4's Q kicker. Ya that's right, Q4. All his money.

Everyone complains about FT, but there are still a lot of fish even there. Just last night:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $1/$2 - 9 players - Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $196.25
UTG+1: $33.70
MP1: $263.05
MP2: $214.15
Hero: $272.75
CO: $451.40
Button: $149.70
SB: $201.85
BB: $188

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with 6 6
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $9, 4 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: Q 9 9 ($21, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $18, MP1 calls.

Turn: 6 ($57, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $30, MP1 raises all-in $236.05, Hero calls.

River: 8 ($529.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $529.1)


Results:
Final pot: $529.1
Hero showed 6c 6s
MP1 showed Kd Qs

thats hardly a fish hand, you turned your 4 outer

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

thats hardly a fish hand, you turned your 4 outer

Why is he turning his hand into a bluff?

edit: I guess he's repping the 9 and trying to push me off of AQ/KK+, but the guy's 50/8/2.5 over 150 hands, I'm not giving him a lot of credit. You're right though, it isn't super fishy.

Ok, this one's better. I guess he put me on whiffed AK.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $1/$2 - 9 players - Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $266
UTG+1: $95.45
MP1: $113.85
MP2: $129.30
MP3: $211.30
Hero: $200
Button: $219.75
SB: $53.20
BB: $140.95

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 7 7
4 folds, MP3 raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: 4 7 2 ($43, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $40, MP3 calls.

Turn: 9 ($123, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero is all-in $140, MP3 calls.

River: A ($403, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $403)


Results:
Final pot: $403
MP3 showed 8c 8s
Hero showed 7s 7d

nice little fact for this thread

25,623 hands
Hands AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK
bbs/100 -3.35/

Go running bad.


Edit:

lol documents. KKK no goot right?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($400)
BB ($390)
UTG ($278)
MP ($400)
CO ($400)
Button ($200)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $40, 1 fold, MP calls $32.

Flop: ($69) K, 3, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $120, MP calls $120.

Turn: ($306) 7 (2 players)
Hero calls (All-In), MP calls (All-In).

River: ($797) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $797

Fish Shows AhJs ftw.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

KKK no goot right?

KKK is never goot.

i better be folding that crap preflop then.