Should I call?

that's based on your preflop range assign... suppose that's wrong and he is tight, then his range would be TT,99, AJdd+ and still vs this range you have 50% equity and even so it's a call since pot odds are 25.58%.


suppose again he would raise flop on sets and so let's take them out, and suppose again he is not calling that wide preflop, then the only hands we would shove on turn are AJdd+, AK/AQ/AJ with one diamond, again vs this range you have ~55% equity so again it's a call.

in my opinion, no matter how tight the player is, he is not jamming just flushes here so in this hand is always a call do to the price you're getting. someone corect me if i am wrong.

Preflop: When this villain raises his button and we are in the bb our range should consist of three portions. Your A range are the hands that fair well against our villain's continue v. 3 bet range. These hands we 3bet for value. Your B range are the hands that do not fair well against his continue to 3bet range, but do great against his wide opening range. These hands we call as we have made the decision they are +ev to play this way. Our C hands are those which we feel it would be unprofitable to play against the villain's opening range. We 3bet the top of this range, and fold the rest.

This strategy is very important because we want to play as many hands as possible profitably. The hands in our B range are profitable for us to call with, so if we decide to 3bet them we are wasting the value of the hand. QJs is definitely in our B range in this spot. It is profitable for us to call or raise preflop; however, the ev of 3betting qjs is not too much greater than 3betting the top of our c range. Following this method allows us to play the most hands profitably.

Flop: I like betting this flop because getting JJ, QQ, and underpairs to fold is a great result. Shotglasses idea of c/c'ing to "get his air to bluff" makes little sense. We are currently behind most of the air in his range. Also we won't be able to fold out this air on later streets because his range will have to many made hands for us to lead the turn. C/r also seems bad as his betting range will have alot of aces. Our mistake on this flop is we should bet smaller to allow ourselves 3 comfortable streets of betting.

Turn: Betting this turn is mandatory as not too much of his range is flushes. There are lots of aces and potentially pairs that can call here. Again our problem is the weird sizing because if villain calls he's pot comitted on the river. This is a super easy call as his raising range here will consist of sets that chose not to raise the flop, Aces with the Ad, good aces that feel if they call here they have to call the river, so why not get it in now, and flushes.

Overall great first post, keep it up.

Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket

Preflop: When this villain raises his button and we are in the bb our range should consist of three portions. Your A range are the hands that fair well against our villain's continue v. 3 bet range. These hands we 3bet for value. Your B range are the hands that do not fair well against his continue to 3bet range, but do great against his wide opening range. These hands we call as we have made the decision they are +ev to play this way. Our C hands are those which we feel it would be unprofitable to play against the villain's opening range. We 3bet the top of this range, and fold the rest.

This strategy is very important because we want to play as many hands as possible profitably. The hands in our B range are profitable for us to call with, so if we decide to 3bet them we are wasting the value of the hand. QJs is definitely in our B range in this spot. It is profitable for us to call or raise preflop; however, the ev of 3betting qjs is not too much greater than 3betting the top of our c range. Following this method allows us to play the most hands profitably.

nicely put. though it's worth noting that in some situations, more so at the microstakes, we don't need or want a C range (that is, 3bet bluffing range). sure there will be players who are hugely exploitable to 3bet bluffs, spot them and 3bet bluff them. just dont' consider "3bet bluffing" a default play.

I guess i should try to expand on that a little bit. The range you put into your 3 bet bluffing, calling, and 3 betting for value should depend hugely on the villains you are playing with. As rpm pointed out there is often no need for a 3betting C range at the lower stakes. The reason for this is because at the lower limits we are facing far less players who study the game. One of the biggest differences between players who do and do not study the game is that people who study the game think about their cards in relation to board textures and villain's ranges whereas new players tend to play their hand regardless of its relative strength. For example, if a fish raises KJo from his button and we 3bet he will rarely fold because his entire thought process is, "put money in with KJ? yeah sounds good to me". Many fish are also very stubborn as to their thoughts about their hand. Against villains like these the we shouldn't have a 3bet bluffing range because without fold equity these plays become unprofitable. Another problem with 3 betting as a bluff at the micros comes up due to fish other than the ones we are intending to steal from. Even if the BU is folding to 90% of 3bets 1 fishy player in the BB can make 3 bet bluffing from the SB extremely unprofitable because again we are going to get stuck playing hands that just aren't profitable. Fortunately, there is a way we can exploit these players. Although the prevalence of wide 3bet calling ranges makes 3bet bluffs unprofitable, we can respond by widening our A range. hands such as AJ or KQ that normally might be in a very poor shape against a 3bet calling range can be extremely profitable against fish who are playing cards these hands dominate. One thing to understand when widening your A range; however, is the increased importance position takes on. When we are 3bet bluffing from the blinds, our positional disadvantage can often be minimized because the majority of the EV of our play comes from the fold equity of our 3bet. This completely changes when we are pushing hands up from our B range to our A range because almost all of the value in this type of play comes from postflop advantages in skill level, position, and range strength.


That being said, from my limited experience there are tons of situations in which 3betting as a bluff can be hugely profitable at the micros. Because many of the regs at these stakes will never have dealt with someone 3betting them light, they will often fail to make adjustments, or do so incorrectly. Also, the value of these plays exceed the money you gain from them. When you are at the top of your range, players will often give you far more action if they have seen you 3bet earlier in the session.

The biggest problem i used to run into was focusing too much on 3 bet bluffing specific villains against whom I deemed it profitable, and not focusing enough on other players who would make the spot unprofitable.

Anyways, I'd love to hear commentary on my thought process.