definitely raise more pre. at least 3x +1 for each limper. if not 4x+1 per limper. on the flop i don't really know what to do. i think i'm calling to re-evaluate turn. though that may be spewy. i think they can both still have hands like 22-88 in their ranges, as well as gutters like T9,T8,98. and hands like 87s,97s,76s,A7s