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    Default Rivered nut straight but possible flush/full house board

    Should i put in a bet on the river or check to be content to have won a nice pot.? Do you think villian is checking as a sign of weakness or because he has a big hand and wants to trap?
    Villian is 22/14/4

    given villians stats what hand range can we put him on.
    Can this be a case if im beat he calls or re raise and if he is beat he will fold to a pot size bet so its better off to check?

    With his agression level being a 3 does his check indicate weakness most of the time ? I know there are some TAG's that will bet bet check a monster to induce a bluff on the river.


    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.04)
    BB ($0.61)
    UTG ($0.73)
    MP1 ($1)
    Hero (MP2) ($2)
    CO ($5.91)
    Button ($0.40)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
    3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

    River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ?
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    Do not limp AK pre

    I probably bet like 30 on river and hope he cry calls with Ax. If you're really worried he's goign to c/r you then obv just check. I doubt he's goign to c/r here though - he bet 2 streets then looks like he's tryin to either get a cheap showdown or he's just given up as all the draws got there.
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    Hey Muzz. Why are we trying to get value after getting runner-runnered by the 2 most scariest cards in the deck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    Hey Muzz. Why are we trying to get value after getting runner-runnered by the 2 most scariest cards in the deck?
    We have a straight, he checked. There is no way he's bettiing flop and turn and checking a flush. He may have a fullhose and hope we bet a rivered flush, coz thats what our hand looks like. But I doubt it - if we rivered a flulsh we'd likely raise the river, so he should just bet/3bet.

    Why is turn/river scary? We're way underreped. l/c pre. Although being underreped doesnt really matter now given the board and our hand.

    If you're really seeing mosters under the bed yah, just check. But I'd bet/fold the end - he aint raising worse and I think he'll cry call a fair %.

    I think the maain point in this hand is WHY THE HELL ARE WE LIMP CALLING AKo!?!?
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    Thanks Muzzard you have gave the best advice on this hand. Im going to post the results because you gave the advice i needed to hear.

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    SB ($2.04)
    BB ($0.61)
    UTG ($0.73)
    MP1 ($1)
    Hero (MP2) ($2)
    CO ($5.91)
    Button ($0.40)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
    3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

    River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $0.65 | Rake: $0.04
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    can you answer why you limp/call AK preflop?
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    I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today. In a cash game Usually Ill raise with AK about 75% of the time and limp 25%. I guess i just like to control the pot size when i have top pair top kicker. Is this the wrong approach if were only 100 BB deep?

    Seems like i was beat on the flop here and didnt even know it.

    Here are the results sorry about not including them earlier.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.04)
    BB ($0.61)
    UTG ($0.73)
    MP1 ($1)
    Hero (MP2) ($2)
    CO ($5.91)
    Button ($0.40)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
    3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

    River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $0.65 | Rake: $0.04

    Results:
    SB had A, J (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
    Hero had A, K (straight, Ace high).
    Outcome: Hero won $0.61
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    so if you're limping the fourth best hand possible some of the time, I'm guessing you limp JJ to setmine?
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    I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
    your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
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    Is it wrong to limp JJ?
    lol j/k
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFchung
    I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
    your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
    Im human not a robot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadaces9999
    Quote Originally Posted by AFchung
    I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
    your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
    Im human not a robot.
    strangest defense for a play i've heard on FTR

    never limp AKo UTG. even if you currently have a craving for Chipotle

    anyway definitely bet river. the only flush i see here is combo draws and there like aren't any in his range. maybe MP + FD, but it's a small part of his range. villain has the possibility of being a thinking player so he should know to never check with a boat here unless he has a read on you that you are capable of bluffing river scare cards and there are like 2 villains in all of 2NL who take this good of notes and are able to take advantage of it. long-winded way of saying you're probably ahead here and plenty of worse hands call (two pairs dominate his range).

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