river straigth, paired board deep, min raise?

[daven]

9 fish at table, this one is 46-6 level 0
how big on river?
$0.10/$0.25 Ante $0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($63.05)
UTG+1 ($88.22)
MP1 ($44.45)
MP2 ($25)
daven (CO) ($60.46)
BTN ($64.06)
SB ($50.35)
BB ($69.48)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 8 players) daven is CO
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, daven raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25

Flop: ($2.65, 4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, daven bets $1.70, 1 fold, SB calls $1.70, MP1 folds

Turn: ($6.05, 2 players)
SB checks, daven checks

River: ($6.05, 2 players)
SB bets $3.75, daven raises to $xoxox?,

[gotigers1234]

I think I would try to make this look like a bluff so I would either shove or min raise..... After you check turn if you minraised here I would think that you were bluffing and If I had anything I would prob 4 bet you on the river. And for some reason over shoving like a fool here is so ridiculous he may look you up b/c he thinks you are full of shit.

Edit** I don't think this guy can have a FH the way he flatted to flop and only bets half on the river.

[daven]

I think I would try to make this look like a bluff so I would either shove or min raise..... After you check turn if you minraised here I would think that you were bluffing and If I had anything I would prob 4 bet you on the river. And for some reason over shoving like a fool here is so ridiculous he may look you up b/c he thinks you are full of shit.

trying to rep quads seems silly here, especially a little deep, then again, if it would make you call hands i beat...

[Hoopy]

I'm guessing you're juicing the pot pre in case you hit?

He pretty much has air or some kind of gutter that hit a jack, raise to $13.

[acg123]

i just bet $15 and call a shove. i think if he plays overpairs passively he could show up with QQ+ here aswell ( might even ship it!) i think shoving wont be called enough by worse to be profitable and were pretty deep i wouldnt be comfortable shipping it with a $9 pot. you would allow him to play perfectly against you unless you have a history of shoving 146BB into a 36 BB pot.

[Imthenewfish]

why do you minraise pre?

[Icanhastreebet]

why do you minraise pre?

Because a minraise gives us initiative and a non 0 amount of FE pre and post. Minraise def > limp imo.

[daven]

why do you minraise pre?

deep/juice/initiative/information

This may be a silly question: What's the "level 0" in the 1st line of the OP?
I have assumed it's a reference to:
level 0) Thinking about your own cards
level 1) Thinking about Villains' cards
level 2) Thinking about what Villains think you have
so level 0) Not thinking about anything?

i start counting here with 0 not one, standart around here?

[d0zer]

why not raise bigger though? we're deep, make an iso more likely, create more dead money to take down with a c-bet etc.

[Icanhastreebet]

why not raise bigger though? we're deep, make an iso more likely, create more dead money to take down with a c-bet etc.

Dunno if we have that read. If he likes to fold to cbets then I concur, otherwise I'm pretty happy to just go multiway or get to the flop heads up with initiative

[Fnord]

$10-12ish

If he shoves, I hate life.

[acg123]

$10-12ish

If he shoves, I hate life.

but do you call a shove? do you think he plays 10x like this? JJ,TT,JT,77,22 are the only hands were losing to. we beat Tx,Jx,QQ+,any other air. our hand looks weak on turn(which it is actually) but on river we dominate alot of his holdings. i would hate to see a shove but i dont think i could find a fold vs. this guy.i mean theres like...12 combos that beat us(rough guess) and a shit ton we beat.

[MadMojoMonkey]

This may be a silly question: What's the "level 0" in the 1st line of the OP?
I have assumed it's a reference to:
level 1) Thinking about your own cards
level 2) Thinking about Villains' cards
level 3) Thinking about what Villains think you have
so level 0) Not thinking about anything?

[baudib]

$14 fold to shove

[OngBonga]

Yeah I think I can find a b/f here, I'd probably fire $10.

How are there 9 fish at an 8-seater table?

[MadMojoMonkey]

daven is the shark, and counts as 2 fish!

[kickass]

daven cant count, and counts as 2 fish!

fyp

[daven]

daven cant count, and counts as 2 fish!

fyp

gold