okay thanks for elaborating on that, it makes a lot more sense now. you have convinced me lol... i guess my real problem was that i didnt consider those 3 conditions pre, my gut said fold the flop put i shoved and he called down with 55, really i just should not have been in the pot in the first place though against this guy, these small preflop mistakes keep costing me big pots lol, gotta think more pre