river decision

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP ($25)
CO ($41.06)
Button ($25.70)
SB ($24.75)
Hero (BB) ($73.57)
UTG ($37.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
UTG bets $0.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($1.60) (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1

River: ($3.60) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.30, Hero raises to $3.50, UTG raises to $7, Hero ??






i'm ok image wise and villain is 18/16 cbet 65% after 80 hands, no reads to go by, he seemed competent..
any suggestions on different lines anyone, preflop call ok etc etc

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Has the 10 posts limitation for using the converter/posting HTML code been lifted then?

Few questions about your hand:
1) was it your intention to check/raise or check/call the flop?
2) why are you checking the river?
3) what range do you put him on for the 1/3rd PSB followed by a 3b on the river on this board and following the action on previous streets?

Preflop I'd tend to fold vs a TAG UTG raiser. SC's play much better in position. But then, I am a nit.

edit: oh, and welcome to FTR. And thanks for a properly posted first hand (except missing ranges).

Originally Posted by daviddem

Has the 10 posts limitation for using the converter/posting HTML code been lifted then?

Few questions about your hand:
1) was it your intention to check/raise or check/call the flop?
2) why are you checking the river?
3) what range do you put him on for the 1/3rd PSB followed by a 3b on the river on this board and following the action on previous streets?

Preflop I'd tend to fold vs a TAG UTG raiser. SC's play much better in position.

edit: oh, and welcome to FTR. And thanks for a properly posted first hand (except missing ranges).

LOL tyty tbh i missed the ranges because i'm the utg player
BB would call any SC , any pair 22-JJ and suited BW's mostly.. he'd widen if cut off or btn opened..
You dont like my gaybet then? i'd say he viewed me as someone competent lol... he wasn't the type to go berzerk so i was finding extracting his dollars difficult

there was definitely the phrase gaybet in there at some stage David, where'd it go?

I would probably fold pre flop, though I'd be much more inclined to call if anyone else came in. Having said that, I don't hate the call. His range for me is something like 88+ AQ+ AJs+

Flop is fine, I like to bet draws but he raised pre so I'm happy for him to cbet. He checks so we can take away TT+ from his range.

Turn again is fine, I like the bet size. He calls, so he hasn't got 99 either, he's likely left with heart draws (AJ+) and diamond draws (AJ only).

River is very interesting. First off, just bet, c/r the river when you make your hand is FPS, just donk into him and he calls his decent hands because people bluff scare cards often enough to entice the call with TPTK, but checking loses value against TPTK against a lot of players, since they check a hand they would call.

But we c/r, and he 3bets us. His range is now pretty much AdJd and AhJh, although I guess he can have AhKh too if he thinks you are capable of making a big laydown with perhaps KQ or even QQ. but the fact that he 3bet a c/r means I strongly suspect this is AdJd, but even in that event it's merely =ev cooler, since villain always pays in reversed situation. Call and make a note if he hasn't got the nuts.

Originally Posted by voo-doo

LOL tyty tbh i missed the ranges because i'm the utg player
BB would call any SC , any pair 22-JJ and suited BW's mostly.. he'd widen if cut off or btn opened..
You dont like my gaybet then? i'd say he viewed me as someone competent lol... he wasn't the type to go berzerk so i was finding extracting his dollars difficult

there was definitely the phrase gaybet in there at some stage David, where'd it go?

Sorry, don't get it. You crafter the hand history so that villain appears as Hero??? Not sure what the purpose of that is?

I edited my post after writing gaybet because it is not really a gaybet, 1/3rd PSB is a decent suck in or blocking bet or thin value bet for a river, not like a minbet.

So if you are UTG, I assume you had the nut flush?

Originally Posted by daviddem

Sorry, don't get it. You crafter the hand history so that villain appears as Hero??? Not sure what the purpose of that is?

I edited my post after writing gaybet because it is not really a gaybet, 1/3rd PSB is a decent suck in or blocking bet or thin value bet for a river, not like a minbet.

So if you are UTG, I assume you had the nut flush?

yep i was utg with AJdd, i wanted to see how others would view my 3bet, his check raise line
was odd... any one favour a overbet by myself when he checks river?

Originally Posted by voo-doo

yep i was utg with AJdd, i wanted to see how others would view my 3bet, his check raise line
was odd... any one favour a overbet by myself when he checks river?

I think you could raise him more. Ask yourself what villain c/r with on the river here? What can villain fold to a $10 bet that he calls to a $7 bet?

I like a bigger bet size on river (with UTG as hero). Because he can have a set or a flush and will call bigger, but his busted draws are folding regardless. Main point of a small river bet is to attempt to widen villain's calling range, but i think theres less paired hands he's calling with here on this river and more hands that will calll a big bet regardless.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I think you could raise him more. Ask yourself what villain c/r with on the river here? What can villain fold to a $10 bet that he calls to a $7 bet?

as he was so passive i asked myself that and figured he'd lead with his 2pair mostly, so i judged his check raise as sets 33 TT 77 or a smaller flush and maybe AJs...
heat of the moment stuff versus a villain who i hoped would 4bet my min raise 3bet, meh hence the post to see how others would perceive it...

Originally Posted by voo-doo

as he was so passive i asked myself that and figured he'd lead with his 2pair mostly, so i judged his check raise as sets 33 TT 77 or a smaller flush and maybe AJs...
heat of the moment stuff versus a villain who i hoped would 4bet my min raise 3bet, meh hence the post to see how others would perceive it...

My problem with this logic in this spot is that villain nearly never has a set here. If he flopped it, he bets the flop because it's scary, and if he didn't flop it, he has an overpair, which he also bets on this flop. Since the flop was check-check, we can be 99% sure villain does not have set/overpair.

He could have 2pr of course, but then I think he folds that to the $7bet, so we might as well bet $10 because if he's calling his 9high flush for $7, he'll very probably call it for $10 too. I wouldn't want to bet much larger than that though because his hand is foldable, especially since if he thinks about it for long enough you can really only have AdJd.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

My problem with this logic in this spot is that villain nearly never has a set here. If he flopped it, he bets the flop because it's scary, and if he didn't flop it, he has an overpair, which he also bets on this flop. Since the flop was check-check, we can be 99% sure villain does not have set/overpair.

He could have 2pr of course, but then I think he folds that to the $7bet, so we might as well bet $10 because if he's calling his 9high flush for $7, he'll very probably call it for $10 too. I wouldn't want to bet much larger than that though because his hand is foldable, especially since if he thinks about it for long enough you can really only have AdJd.

i'd disagree with the above Ong, this villain would definitely check a set to the raiser, especially a TAGGY utg raiser....

Originally Posted by voo-doo

i'd disagree with the above Ong, this villain would definitely check a set to the raiser, especially a TAGGY utg raiser....

Perhaps, though I'd certainly expect set or KK to bet closer to the pot on the turn, though I'm not entirely convinced he does check this very often. I usually check over to the raiser if I hit my set oop, but not on a scary flop unless I'm 100% sure the raiser is betting.

You'd know better than me the tendancies of this particular player, but I run at similar stats to him and I'd donk this flop nearly 100% of the time with a set.

does anyone look at stack sizes before a hand like ever? also bet turn bigger plz and dont go apeshit retardo on river
edit-why did u post from villains perspective...?