Quote Originally Posted by ttanaka
LOL, alright Fnord, I know you don't like those groupings, but let me ask you something, how wrong are they, if I can win pretty easily and consistently in just about every session I play those NL ring games on 3 tables simultaneously?
First, you're beyond hand groupings. Second, the play at the Party full table $25 NL was *amazingly bad* until 6 max came along. When was the last time you got more than 1 full stack to call a pre-flop all-in with less than QQ?

Quote Originally Posted by ttanaka
I mean I don't follow any chart religiously, any chart/hand grouping is maybe a starting point for beginners, followed by situational thinking, game theory, you know, but any grouping/ranking/chart has SERIOUS holes if that's exactly how a person plays.
Mostly my complaint is with the treatment of pocket pairs. They are the best implied odds hands in the game, period! Putting them in with A2s is criminal.

My other complaint is that it encourages playing too many hands outside of tournies and 6 max. The biggest problem of NL is that it doesn't punish over-tight players enough. It's far more +EV to play more tables than more hands because it's so easy for an effective odds hand to smack you down (I speak from experience here.) Particularly against poor players that won't adapt to your rock tight play. Every time I revisit the game my playlist shortens.

The CMU rankings are for playing hands in limit where the turn + river get a lot of play. Well played no-limit is very pre-flop and flop centric. In a limit game you can call 1SB on the flop with all kinds of junk and not get punished harshly for it.

http://www.kleptic.com/poker/nlhands.html