retarded lines

What's your standard in spots like these? Should I just assume villain is an idiot and not pay off until proven otherwise or should I assume they're at least applying basic logic?

Example 1:

only 10 hands on villain, not sure when exactly this hand occurred in the 10.

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($98.70)
UTG+1 jerper ($52.75)
CO palnuts ($13.60)
BTN niirr10 ($23)
SB mspt ($52.75)
BB krajet ($100.20)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $1.75, jerper calls $1.75, 1 fold, niirr10 calls $1.75, 1 fold, krajet calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25, 4 players)
krajet checks, Hero bets $4, jerper raises to $12, 1 fold, krajet folds, Hero goes all-in $96.95

if he has 55/22 I don't expect him to raise like the driest board ever. K5s/K2s heavily discounted because I have a K and people don't usually flat with these hands (esp in MP vs UTG raises)

Example 2:

only 10 hands on villain

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Kimlago ($80.40)
CO Pistolo14 ($16.50)
BTN ArghBlahr ($52.50)
SB ki191919 ($51.85)
BB Hero ($50)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, ki191919 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3, 2 players)
ki191919 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3, 2 players)
ki191919 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($4, 2 players)
ki191919 bets $9, Hero calls $9

He looks incredibly weak up until river and then he overbets? wtf is this?

wtf r u doing in hand 1?

Originally Posted by bikes

wtf r u doing in hand 1?

getting value from KJo and QQ LDO

lol well he's basically repping 6 combos so I want to continue with the hand (unless this is bad??)

Just realized though that shoving is retarded and should have flatted. lol.

Yeah hand 1 fold or flat. I'd rather just fold for now until better reads.

Hand 2 I just fold river. I've seen this too much with actual value hands they forgot to get value with but, yes, you will win sometimes.

shoving flop in hand one is far too thin, actually pretty spewy, imo. he probably doesn't even stack off w/KJ here but even if he does:

Board: 5h Ks 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.753% 30.93% 10.82% 8574 3000.00 { KhQh }
Hand 1: 58.247% 47.42% 10.82% 13146 3000.00 { 55, 22, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KJo+ }

we're best to flat and keep his range as wide as possible.

hand 2 i think is so often a poorly played monster that i'm never calling unless i have a specific history with villain to make me want to do so.

Hand one is hilariously bad.
Hand 2 seems fine until you call the river bet. I'd probably 3bet for value preflop.

Originally Posted by kmind

Yeah hand 1 fold or flat. I'd rather just fold for now until better reads.

Hand 2 I just fold river. I've seen this too much with actual value hands they forgot to get value with but, yes, you will win sometimes.

I think just folding both is probably best tbh. They had sets in both cases.

I mean, even though their lines don't really make sense for a value hand people just do dumb shit (including me lol)

Originally Posted by Donachello

Hand 2 seems fine until you call the river bet. I'd probably 3bet for value preflop.

You're 3 betting 99 readless oop? So, you think he's calling with 77, 88, T9s?

hand 2 is def a fold when u block the 9c for most fd's he can have

Originally Posted by kfaess

You're 3 betting 99 readless oop? So, you think he's calling with 77, 88, T9s?

You realize it's BvB and we are IP right?