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    Default Red line/blinds trouble.

    Here's my stats from 10nl so far, small sample i know but i do not want my red line to continue going south i'd rather address it now if i can, than wait for a more significant sample size and be losing in a big way through non-showdown winnings.

    Here's my stats i included cbet% and cbet success and fold to 3bet because they are surely linked to non showdown.



    Also here's my 10nl graphs first with all positions then second graph is only the blinds where i am getting slaughtered.





    If i filter the blinds out i'm winning 74 net from EP,MP,CO,BTN and all 3 lines are positive so it must be the blinds where i am doing something really wrong and paying the price.

    Any tips? Plus are any of these stats too high/low etc that could lead to a poor non showdown line?
    Last edited by seven-deuce; 09-16-2012 at 01:09 PM.
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    Is this 6max?

    Blind defense and steal stats are actually very relevant
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    Yeah 6max hold on ill look for them stats now and post them.
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    BB call BTN steal % = 13.4

    BB call SB steal % = 26.3

    steal from BTN% = 51.5

    Any more relevant stats?
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    these on their own are pretty much useless. how often are you folding vs a sb steal, btn steal, co steal etc. how often u 3betting? looking at how everything relates will paint a clearer picture of where you are losing money without showdown.
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    Is any of this really relevant over 4k hands?
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    yes
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    I think blind play is fairly obvious over 4 K since we will have so many hands in steal/defend situations to at least see if there is an obvious leak.
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    BB fold to BTN steal = 78.4%

    BB fold to SB steal = 64.2%

    BB 3bet SB steal = 9.5%

    BB 3bet BTN steal = 8.2%

    BB 3bet CO steal = 10.5%

    @supa i said in my first post the sample was small but if i'm doing something really wrong on a fundamental level from the blinds i'd rather correct it now and reduce the outflow of $ from the blinds instead of waiting for a larger sample.

    Any blatant leaks from these stats? I'v only had the HUD for 30 days and haven't really studied stats much in detail, i could look all day an not find an obvious leak specific to non showdown and blinds play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seven-deuce View Post
    BB fold to BTN steal = 78.4%

    BB fold to SB steal = 64.2%

    BB 3bet SB steal = 9.5%

    BB 3bet BTN steal = 8.2%

    BB 3bet CO steal = 10.5%
    Folding to small blind a little too much possibly. I'm not sure how loose people are stealing from the SB though so it could be just fine BUT you can definitely 3b more and the SB can't really do much about it besides tighten up.

    You are folding BB a little too much v BTN steal UNLESS once again the average BTN steal is really tight.

    Basically we need to know the average BTN steal range. If it's really tight then you should be losing a TONNE to steals because you are gaining so much by getting more walks/playing IP v SB etc.

    edit: An extreme example of what I said would be like a guy who ONLY steals w/ JJ+. Versus someone like this you should just BLEED so heavily in the BB but think of all the profitable steals they are giving up which you gain from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    Folding to small blind a little too much possibly. I'm not sure how loose people are stealing from the SB though so it could be just fine BUT you can definitely 3b more and the SB can't really do much about it besides tighten up.

    You are folding BB a little too much v BTN steal UNLESS once again the average BTN steal is really tight.

    Basically we need to know the average BTN steal range. If it's really tight then you should be losing a TONNE to steals because you are gaining so much by getting more walks/playing IP v SB etc.

    edit: An extreme example of what I said would be like a guy who ONLY steals w/ JJ+. Versus someone like this you should just BLEED so heavily in the BB but think of all the profitable steals they are giving up which you gain from.
    This is a really good post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    This is a really good post
    Confirmed.

    I might record a 30min session or is that too long? I'll 4 table. Dunno how it would look as a video if i tile them cos they get pretty small on my laptop so i'll let them just pop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seven-deuce View Post
    Confirmed.

    I might record a 30min session or is that too long? I'll 4 table. Dunno how it would look as a video if i tile them cos they get pretty small on my laptop so i'll let them just pop up.
    If you could do this, that would be a lot better then us trying to explain what you are doing wrong in the blinds. ~30min should be a good length. Be sure to either include an explanation of your HUD either during the video or in the post where you post the video.
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    I started playing at those stakes and I have double your 3bet%, higher cbet% WITH a higher cbet success rate and my red line goes up.

    I can only predict so much how you play but really at these stakes there are glaring mistakes these guys have. 3betting regs a ton is very profitable as most fold way too much. The cbet stuff is really working on flop texture stuff.

    I don't really know what to tell you other than if you shoot me a video or something I'll be more than happy to look over it.
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    I'll definitely make the video, i'll include a short 5-10 hand review as well after the session as a separate video just to see if you agree with my ranges and logic.

    I'll try and get them uploaded to youtube tonight if not they'll be uploaded tomorrow for sure.
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    uploaded 31 min session to youtube, it got instantly removed for being too long, biggest waste of time ever. Any other way of linking it in here?
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    Gonna upload it as two 15min vids instead hada cut the last few hands nothing major happened anyway. The HH review will bet 2 separate vids as well its 19min so two 7min vids or suhin, anyway it should be uploaded tomorrow.
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