Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
As my example shows, I find it holds very well up to 10 outs. And still close enough for 12 outs. Certainly enough to let you know of the correct decision up to 14 outs: 14x2 = 28%. 14 x 4 = 52%. Actual figures being 30.4% and 51.2%. That's close enough for me.
Where I live 14*4 = 56

Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
And anything above 15 outs, you'll shove with anyway. Be it 54% or 15x4 (60%) .
Most of the times, not always, as anything in poker, it depends

Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
The hand I played did indeed have 12 outs, but a flush draw and an open ended straight draw (plus a straight flush) gives 15 outs. 8 for the OES and 9 for the flush.

My hand is available at http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-61455.htm
It is also possible to be behind AA and have 20 outs, and you can also be behind and have a guantee for at least 1/2 the pot, it all depends.

In the hand you posted I think you played it fine, but you cannot be sure you have 12 outs, you may have more or less