"average" bb/100 for NL vs Limit

Subject says it all really - what are the "average" bb/100's for a good player for NL and Limit ring games?

Are they both around 2 - 3/100?

Anything +.

But NL winrates are always a lot bigger than limit winrates.

A GREAT limit player win 3bb/100 and a Great NL player wins 20bb/100

But bankroll requirements allow limit players to play 3/6 while NL players are playing .5/1

-'rilla

Thanks

After weeks of soul searching, I have found that my natural (meaning the one I enjoy playing most!) is NL ring games. I've done 500 hands since yesterday and am on + 1BB/100. But, most importantly, I am enjoying it immensely. The fact that I'm breaking even is encouraging - I know it's a very small sample size, but I've got Poker Tracker ticking away and so far haven't seen anything that scares me - so I'm just waiting for a nice monster hand with some callers (I had a full house just now, Aces full of Kings, and won £0.95!).

So if anybody here is playing on littlewoods £0.15/£0.25 or PokerStars $0.25/£0.50, watch out suckers!

GL Satan.

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I will work hard to get to 10,000 hands and then post my PT results for everyone to view in awe.

My BB/100 (over 14k hands, I have to download the rest of my hands today) is 78 for stars 01/02, 20ish for 05/10, and like 10 for 15/25 (only maybe 1.5-2k hands at this level, and had a week of variance, but I've heard is harder to make 10+ at 25NL than 10NL)

Originally Posted by satan

After weeks of soul searching, ...

do you see why?

a Great NL player wins 20bb/100

What about as you move up?

I find it hard to believe that a good $100NL player is still able to make 20bb/100 long term...

$2 * 20 * 4 tables = $160/100 = ~$80/hour

I find it really hard to believe that $80 an hour is anything like what an good $100NL player makes.. and, if thats normal, then a $200NL player should be making $160 an hour!

I can see 8BB/100 or 10BB/100, but 20? .. I just dont see that at $100NL+

Am I wrong?

I'm running at 18 big blinds/100 at 600nl 6max, but gimme another 85k hands to tell you how accurate that is.

Originally Posted by Bmxicle

I'm running at 18 big blinds/100 at 600nl 6max, but gimme another 85k hands to tell you how accurate that is.

How many hands do you have so far?


Also 18 big blinds/100 = 9bb/100 .. and that is a lot more believable than 20BB/100

Originally Posted by Laeelin

a Great NL player wins 20bb/100

What about as you move up?

I find it hard to believe that a good $100NL player is still able to make 20bb/100 long term...

$2 * 20 * 4 tables = $160/100 = ~$80/hour

I find it really hard to believe that $80 an hour is anything like what an good $100NL player makes.. and, if thats normal, then a $200NL player should be making $160 an hour!

I can see 8BB/100 or 10BB/100, but 20? .. I just dont see that at $100NL+

Am I wrong?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ghlight=#53893

And that 100nl winrate was for 1/2 blinds.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by Laeelin

a Great NL player wins 20bb/100

What about as you move up?

I find it hard to believe that a good $100NL player is still able to make 20bb/100 long term...

$2 * 20 * 4 tables = $160/100 = ~$80/hour

I find it really hard to believe that $80 an hour is anything like what an good $100NL player makes.. and, if thats normal, then a $200NL player should be making $160 an hour!

I can see 8BB/100 or 10BB/100, but 20? .. I just dont see that at $100NL+

Am I wrong?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ghlight=#53893

And that 100nl winrate was for 1/2 blinds.

-'rilla

As good of a player he is, that is not a sufficient amount of hands at any of those limits to draw any conclusions.
So far I have yet to see any proof of anyone sustaining +20BB/100 over ~100k hands at 100NL or higher. Perhaps Ilikeaces could have done it, but we'll never know.

I would say that 10BB/100 in NL is comparable to 3BB/100 in limit games, anything above that long term is crazy good at anything but micro limits.

IMHO

There's no way 10bb/100 is comparable to 3bb/100 at limit. I was hittin 12 at 400 nl too easily and I suck. Maybe we can settle on 15 for the time being?

-'rilla

There's no way 10bb/100 is comparable to 3bb/100 at limit. I was hittin 12 at 400 nl too easily and I suck. Maybe we can settle on 15 for the time being?

Over how many hands?

No offence, but telling me that ilikeaces86 makes 20BB/100 at 100nl is (almost) like telling me that Daniel Negreanu makes 20BB/100 at $100NL... Doesnt ilikeaces86 play at $2000NL now? I dont even DREAM of reaching that level of play.

Telling me that a $2000NL player can get 20BB/100 playing $100NL doesnt really answer the question that we really want to know. I want to know how much I should expect to be able to reach.

Hmm, I just found out something that might explain it...

I was told that Poker Tracker reports BB/100 incorrectly, and that my 4bb/100 is actually 8bb/100. I know how much room I have for improvement, so if thats correct, I can believe 20bb/100.

so, is "20bb/100" referring to "20 big bets/100" or "20 big blinds/100"?

20 big bets (i.e. 40 big blinds). Let me just check...

Okay, on my best table tonight I won £86.50 in 93 hands for a BB/100 of 186 (yes, I am showing off, humour me ).

Rounding it up to 100 hands, I would have won £93, which means a BB in this case must be £0.50. I play at £25NL, so a Poker Tracker No-Limit BB is equal to 2x Big Blind.

Originally Posted by biondino

20 big bets (i.e. 40 big blinds). Let me just check...

Okay, on my best table tonight I won £86.50 in 93 hands for a BB/100 of 186 (yes, I am showing off, humour me ).

Rounding it up to 100 hands, I would have won £93, which means a BB in this case must be £0.50. I play at £25NL, so a Poker Tracker No-Limit BB is equal to 2x Big Blind.

I know that in poker tracker it's 2 x the big blind, but when rilla and others are talking about 20BB/100, are they talking about 20 big bet/100 or 20 big blind/100?

There is a huge diffrence between the two

I can see 20 big blind/100 being very very possible.. but not 20 big bet/100 after $100NL unless your a REALLY REALLY good player (aka, not anywhere near the average the post is asking for).

there's no such thing as a "big bet" in no limit poker

bb has to mean big blinds

BB = big bet always and forever in poker tracker lingo.

I hit 11big blinds over 20k hands ranging from 10nl to 100nl
Am i great?
i know im not great to answer that.
What about 6max 'rilla?
are the possible winning rates higher in 6max becasue of the higher variance or would this suggest lower?
while im no doubt better at 6max than full ring my 6max win rate crushes my full ring win rate. any thoughts?
i would think 20bbs/100 is attainable but would be extremly hard work. I would think mainly it means laying down when beat and thus not making poor calls like ever and really making the most of your winning hands.
I reckon im better at the first than the second, but im no great.

I'm at 14 big blind / 100, playing 3-4 tables at NL100 (full tables) after 25k hands.

And I'm by no means a special poker player. I know my odds, I play tight, I'm aggresive on the flop, rarely bluff and let the fishes pay my big hands . So I think that a very good player can easily win 20-30 big blind.

At 14 big blind, I appear to be one of the best NL100 player at the site I play (UB). I just looked at the other regular players stats in PokerTracker and noticed that half of them were breaking even, and the other half were between 2-13 big blind.

Conclusion: For a regular player that will study the game but that has no special poker skill, 15 big blind is definetaly possible.

Originally Posted by missmisery

I'm at 14 big blind / 100, playing 3-4 tables at NL100 (full tables) after 25k hands.

And I'm by no means a special poker player. I know my odds, I play tight, I'm aggresive on the flop, rarely bluff and let the fishes pay my big hands . So I think that a very good player can easily win 20-30 big blind.

At 14 big blind, I appear to be one of the best NL100 player at the site I play (UB). I just looked at the other regular players stats in PokerTracker and noticed that half of them were breaking even, and the other half were between 2-13 big blind.

Conclusion: For a regular player that will study the game but that has no special poker skill, 15 big blind is definetaly possible.

Because you specifically mentioned you were useing poker tracker, and are specifically saying big blind, I just wanted to make sure that you are not reporting the BB/100 that poker tracker is giving you.

Poker Trackers BB/100 is Big BET/100, not big BLIND/100...

Just wanting to make sure that you are really giving Big Blind as your saying.

PS: poker tracker has me at about 4BB/100 .. thats 4 big bets/100 or 8 big blinds/100.. neither is impressive, but both are still making more than I did at my old job

Originally Posted by Laeelin

PS: poker tracker has me at about 4BB/100 .. thats 4 big bets/100 or 8 big blinds/100.. neither is impressive, but both are still making more than I did at my old job

Any win rate is impressive. Not everyone wins at the game. You're in the minority.

And for what it's worth, I was at 12ptbb/100 at 2/4 nl for about 25k hands. My true winrate could easily be like 4~8ptbb though.

-'rilla

I was at 12ptbb/100 at 2/4 nl for about 25k hands.

Now, thats impressive!

25k sure isnt enough to know just where you will end up, but it's enough to know that your doing really really really good.

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

Actually I dont plan on playing poker after Law School this is just kind of a way for me to save up for like a house some day....I dont even have to pay for my college so I am just saving(and spending) a lot of cash.

no poker after law school eh? That probably means you arent going to quit playing poker, ever.

No, that probably means he won't graduate because of his love for poker ;D

And for what it's worth, I was at 12ptbb/100 at 2/4 nl for about 25k hands.

So that's 96$/100 or about 200$/hr 4-tabling.. Wow. What limits are you playing now?