quick bank roll question

what is the easiest way to build a $20 dollar bank roll too a $100 one?

$20 flips. This is a bitch question anyway. Who gives a fuck what the easy way is?

Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl.

wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?

I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."

I can't understand the rest of your post.

Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.

you can flip with me if you want.

we can do $10 instead of $20 so you're only risking 50% - and you have a 50% chance of winning!

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?

I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."

I can't understand the rest of your post.

Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.

oh i c thanks man $2nl is that 2/5 cent tables how much bb's should i go in with so i guess ill play 2/5 cent @ 2 dollar buy in till i reach 100 bucs that will take forever any more advice feel free to comment again thanks man... thats what i came for tips not arguments please follow my post to c where im at and ill post hands too thanks guys

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

wow thanks for the great advice moron and this is a low stakes forum. if it is to cheap for then beat it im looking for advice not rudeness and hey u where there once right ?

I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."

I can't understand the rest of your post.

Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.

oh i c thanks man $2nl is that 2/5 cent tables how much bb's should i go in with so i guess ill play 2/5 cent @ 2 dollar buy in till i reach 100 bucs that will take forever any more advice feel free to comment again thanks man... thats what i came for tips not arguments please follow my post to c where im at and ill post hands too thanks guys

2nl is NL Hold'em with blinds at $0.01/0.02.

Welcome to FlopTurnRiver.

no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations no point in bluffing at this stake its horibble please please not 1/2 cent its not even poker its crap poker $20 roll anything but 1/2 cent please.... really its horrible

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations no point in bluffing at this stake its horibble please please not 1/2 cent its not even poker its crap poker $20 roll anything but 1/2 cent please.... really its horrible

I am right and you are wrong. Here are some of the reasons why.

1. You don't have the bankroll for 5nl.
2. You are rather unskilled at the moment and should play as low as possible.
3. If you can't beat 2nl, you won't be able to beat any other level of NLHE online.

calling stations are so -ev

good luck trying to bluff at 5nl, or 10nl, or 25nl, or even 50nl.

maybe you should just start at 100nl since some of the players will be sophisitcated enough to read your bluffs as value bets and fold.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

good luck trying to bluff at 5nl, or 10nl, or 25nl, or even 50nl.

maybe you should just start at 100nl since some of the players will be sophisitcated enough to read your bluffs as value bets and fold.

no like it becomes OK to bluff at 50NL
then at 100NL bluffing is the fucking nuts THEY NEVER CALL A SHOVE WITHOUT A SET/TWO PAIR (against regs lidog)
then at 1/2 bluffing is OK because people start hero calling you when you do stupid shit

and I hear at 25/50 you should play pretty solid, but I haven't really been there so I can't confirm

this has to be a level

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

no no please not 1/2 cent to many donk calling stations

I fail to see that as a problem

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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I did give you great advice: "Play 2nl and hope that you don't run bad. When you get to about $100, start playing 5nl."

I can't understand the rest of your post.

Edit: Also play both stakes with 100bb stacks instead of the 250bb stacks that are available on some sites.

qfmft

Donk calling stations are the primary reason my rolls grown from 1.5k to 7k in 3 months. I loooove those guys.

Hustle my friend! A little bit there and little bit there adds up to a little bit in two places.

Go gangsta and you will be ballin anyways- you feel me?!

play nl 2. Too be honest youre not even rolled for that high of a limit. If they have nl 1 than play that. Theres no best way to build your roll, just play winning poker and grind it out

Go up to where they respect your raises. Give 25NL a shot...and use your bluffing skills to beat everybody.

OMG dude. You not wanting to play at 2NL because of "too many donk calling stations" says you are at the absolute bottom of poker food chain. The quicker you realize this, the sooner you will start making money. FTR ain't one the best of poker forums for nothing. Listen to these people, they know what they're talking about and only trying to help. Like someone else said, if you can't beat 2NL you won't be able to beat any other level, and that's the nuts. You have to be able to adjust to these types of players. This means play tagg, bluff way less, value bet way more, and don't slowplay, because they'll call with anything. Get it? Now go make monies... and read a book... and the digest. It's not about how fast you move up to the next level, it's about what you learn in the process.

yah 2$ nl here i come guess i wont bluff there any more i thought it was a part of the game. its when reading and stuff im learning from high ranked poker pros with massive skill all those skills do not work at super low stakes . c betting, floating, 3 betting, check raising the shit doesnt work in the micro world trust me. i always ask my self how could he call that down with nothing. so im going to play 2 dollar nl as a super tight aggressive, and not bluff at all.....when do i move to 5 nl ?

If you want to do things right, move up when you have at least 20 buyins. Fancy plays only work against good players or at least players who know how to find the fold button. You will find that people call to the river with nothing, at every level. You will just find less of them. Best thing you can do for yourself is to be humble and leave your ego at the door.

20BI's for 5NL
25BI's for 10NL
30BI's for 25NL
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Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

cbetting, floating, 3 betting, check raising the shit doesnt work in the micro world trust me.

really? because im pretty sure cbetting is the nuts at 2nl.
People call down 3bets really lightly so you get more value out of your good hands, floating and check raising both have their spots as well against the more aggro 2nl'ers.

How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.

Dont move up to 5nl until your roll is at least $125

Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.

LOL where's the smiley emoticon eating popcorn when you need it???

How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.



i have played over 10000 hands a month i like to play more i was muti tabling like 8 at a time and staying even but i really think my game is going into mtt tourneys. after i build that roll to like 3 or 4 hundred i will start playing 5$ nl cash again. as for spelling and grammar im sry that is my weakness in life lo but the points r there... thanks for the info on buy ins boys peace

10,000 hands a month...lawl

some people around here clear that before the sun sets

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Some of you newer guys haven't gotten to see clowns like this in a while so sit back and observe.

LOL where's the smiley emoticon eating popcorn when you need it???

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

How many hands have you played at 2nl? Something tells me your sample size is WAY to small to make any assumptions.



i have played over 10000 hands a month i like to play more i was muti tabling like 8 at a time and staying even but i really think my game is going into mtt tourneys. after i build that roll to like 3 or 4 hundred i will start playing 5$ nl cash again. as for spelling and grammar im sry that is my weakness in life lo but the points r there... thanks for the info on buy ins boys peace

OK you dumbazzz need to start listening up. This fella plays TEN THOUSAND HANDS A MONTH and you treat him like he's a noob for gods sake. Why the hell don't you all just listen he obviously has the experience to back up what he says!

Now we know how your bankroll got so HUGE!

LMAO

sharkscope him for a good laugh.

his graph is upside down??

I cannot believe I actually read all of the OP's posts..
my first thought:
This cannot be for real.....are we sure this isnt Xianti or nutsinho having a laugh?
my next thought:
If this is real.... ...wow

Without any sarcasm whatsoever, this graph actually explains everything. This is a pretty textbook case of a losing player booking a [relatively] big win and deciding to switch to that game, no longer believing they are a losing player. It's pretty standard for how this sort of thing goes, and is the mindset that keeps fresh money in the games. OP's mindset has to change before anything else will.

Edit: This is basically an intervention.

his official poker rankings numbers don't suck
im not crazy about the attitude portrayed in his posts, tho

Originally Posted by Airles™

OMG dude. You not wanting to play at 2NL because of "too many donk calling stations" says you are at the absolute bottom of poker food chain.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

ive only been playing 10 months give me a break look at the in the money percents pretty above average over a large field for a beginner. i said beginner! just got my feet wet and would of had a roll over 1000 bucs if i never took money out and would be playing higher stakes. im not saying im the best poker player in the world or going to be....im saying im off to a great start... i know, not to with draw money if i want to make real money..and play higher stakes. i will win a tourney this month and keep it in my account. one of my goals is to become silver star status this month im about 20 percent there i hope i can make it.... its pretty tuff being my roll is a little low. another goal is to stay in the top 5 percent of players on opr for stars. i lagged a little bit because i explored cash games for 2 months. im sry for getting up in everyones face im just trying to justify my own life.....so i have some small goals that i will attain i hope and will work hard trying to do it. i just played 1000 hands of full ring cash games 9 tables at a time. 1 cent 2 cent with a dollar buy in and made like 5 bucs the skill is there! i think i need to work on attitude and discipline for the game im not that bad of a player compared to the 1000s of real donks out there who love ace rag. i personally hate that hand lol. october is my 1 year anniversary of playing poker and i want to have a grand in there by then..... i got goals im pretty good for a beginner and think 1k is attainable by october. then ill take it from there ..... crazy drama post lol

"i have played over 10000 hands a month"

serious level, but he does a good job

Yeah, there is no way this guy plays 10k hands a month.. Just now way. Not only that, but the best part about OP's whining here is the fact that all of the things he's scared of

Oh please please please...
Bluffs don't work
floating doesn't work
They call with anything

is the best news anyone will ever tell you. THAT'S HOW YOU WIN THA MONEEZ MORAN!

Play straightforward poker at 2nl and even a retard like me can beat it.

yes i played over 1000 hands just today. i hit over 10000 hands a month easy.. and yes i was pissed at guys donk calling me down and watching my bluffs fail all day. because i was a new player i thought bluffing was a part of the game i soon realize that in low stakes theres no point in that. now i know these things and i play tighter then a muther fucker.

I'll go easy here b/c I'm new and thought like you did a year ago....I was always pissed b/c I would occasionally get beat by some goon who called my QQ with 59o and hit 2 pair....
But like everyone has said, its the best situation for an idiot to call your strong hands like that.
In the long run you are a huge favorite...

By getting pissed off, what you are saying is that the only time someone should call your bets (when you have QQ) is when they have say TT+, AQ+.....
Thats not a lot of hands to run into at the table....

I ran even for over a year at 2nl b/c I was awful.....I read articles here, took advice, IOPQ called me a pussy on a few occasions and I immediately turned it around (got through 2nl in about 6K hands)
2nl is impossible to lose at if you play a solid range, bet properly, and locate the fold button when behind....that is all you need at 2nl guaranteed. If you are still lanquishing in 2nl.....you are doing something wrong.

As for the pros having a hard time at 2nl...you need to provide proof, no one is buying it.
Daniel Negreanu has spent some time at 2, 5 andt 10nl and was killing it (proper BR management aside). Absolutely killing it, esp 2nl and 5nl...


Hopefully you listen to the hundreds who have already forged ahead of us.....g/l

If you want to play MTT's I would recommend freerolls.
There are plenty to go around, and they are not that hard to cash in.

In my experience in playing on stars, with a limited Br the easiest most mechanical grind would be to play hundreds of the 1.20 single table sng's . They are non turbo and they qualify for the weekly sng battle of the planets leader board. If you check out the promotion all you need to do is to make it into the top 100 and you get a weekly bonus.

I agree with everyone in saying that 2nl is very beat able, but it sounds like you've had greater successes in tournament structures. This may be a good way to increase your BR and experience with the lowest variance since each sng will only represent the 5% of your BR. Where in the 2nl game a max buyin will rep 10%+.

I believe it is one of the lowest variance games, although your profit may be minimal it will give you a ton of experience in seeing hands. and your success will be easy to track, once you start getting on the high orbit leader board that weekly bonus will be huge.

mmm i like the advice here.. I like playing the $1 45 mans on stars i played over 1000 of them and have a positive ROI i wanted to play single table sngos but they dont keep track of the stats on opr so i stayed away, because i like to know if im loosing or winning over time... i like the idea of cash games so i had to explore them wondering whats better in the long run. just trying to move up some way some how. more more advice i love it

sharkscope.com

play 0.05 stakes,u got 20$ if u play right u can get a nice bankroll in a coulple days

^^^
[ ] read the whole fucking thread

Galiana provided horrible advice.....I tried that....

You'll get up a bit and then have a session where your full house runs into a larger full house or your set runs into a rivered straight....then you'll be toast...
A solid, FTR endorsed bank roll is built to take it in the ass from time to time, so when you ruin into a cooler/beat you can still play without becoming scared of the BR situation

If you really want to be a professional poker player someday in the sense that you use poker as your main source of income to put food on the table, then I highly recommend you play cash games. I haven't conducted any studies, but it seems like the overwhelming majority of players who successfully play poker for a living, do so playing cash, ring games, not tournaments.

For starters, compared to cash games, tournaments are very high variance. Imagine you're in a cash game and get 100bb allin pre-flop with AA and lose to KK. If you play enough hands, 80% of the time you'll win that big pot for a nice long term win. It's no big deal when you lose 20% of the time because you just reload. In a tournament, on the other hand, you'll still win 80% of the time, but that 20% you lose can be a lot more devastating if it bursts your bubble and you don't cash or keeps you off the final table or even keeps you @ 2nd place instead of 1st. Consistent cashing is an important skill with tournaments, but more so WINNING is important and there is a lot of luck involved to be able to survive a tough, deep field and win the whole thing.

Outside of the variance, tournaments are more difficult in terms of logistically complementing your life. For cash games, you can just show up at a casino or fire up the computer online any time of day and play. You show up when you like and leave when you like. In tournaments, you show up, leave, eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom entirely on THEIR schedule. Say you're tilting in a cash game. You can take a short break, a long break, or just leave and come back tomorrow. At a tournament, you can't deal with tilt like that.

Don't get more wrong. Tournaments are fun. I started with tournaments. Tournaments were the reason I got into poker in the first place. They are very fun. But as it relates to generating money, by comparison to cash games, they are a novelty.

Having said that, if you can't be persuaded otherwise, there are some players who have found a way to play tournaments and make a living and most of those players are online. It can be done, but it'll take a lot of time, study, and patience. Good luck either way.

Jason is incorrect, you can win at tournaments as well as cash
most of FTR ventrilo is filled with tournament players
MTTs in particular are always soft

meh ... In my last paragraph, I acknowledged you CAN win @ tournaments. I just think it's easier to do with cash and that MOST players who make a living @ poker make their money from cash. Many of today's great tournament players got their start @ cash. I think it's easier to go from cash to tournament than vice versa, but to each his or her own.

yes, it's easier to go from cash to tournaments because you'll already have skills dealing with short stacks and crap, while tournaments give you almost 0 full stack experience (I mean most tournaments online start like 75BB deep)

I also think cash games are the best way to go in terms of learning to play real poker to become a pro but, in order to play cash games you guys are forgetting that there needs to be a solid BR.

In this particular case I was suggesting sngs because he is on a very short BR. There are not any NL cash games where he could buy in for 1 dollar and still play full stacked. That coupled with the rake I believe it will take him longer to get his goal of 100 bucks.

Although with a 20$ br He could try doing full ring 0.02/0.04 Limit poker. I think hes properly rolled for that. 500bb's

Yes, if bankroll is very limited, I'd suggest limit hold'em cash over NL cash or any types of tournaments. After that, I'd still suggest cash NL over tournaments - SNG, MTT, or otherwise.

Why would you suggest cash Nl over 1 table sngs? I think the play is much worse at the lowest sngs levels than at the .01/.02 nl cash game.

For example of how bad it is, I was successfully able to Not play a single hand and get 2nd place.

But in the overall I suppose since I got my start playin 1 table sngs to build my br I thought it was the easiest way to do it. Standard ABC poker over many many 1 table sngs.

I found the play between the $1 SNG and $2NL to be very similiar. The difference was that variance for ANY tournament structure is generally higher than a cash game. Next, I remember the rake structure to be particularly bad for $1 SNG @ +$0.20. You're giving 20% of your buy-in to the rake right off the bat, whereas cash games seem structured better. If you can consistently beat your opponents, then it isn't so bad, but pretty much EVERY SNG I've ever played has many flips and a 60% edge may seem pretty good, but it loses to 40% enough times to make for some pretty swingy results.

Again, if someone really LIKES tournaments and SNG's, I say go for it. But, I started that route, had success and still strongly believe cash is a better way to build a roll and make a living in terms of learning the game, minimizing variance, and results.

I just remembered that another way to get rolled for some games is also to get someone to stake you.

Originally Posted by dejection08

I just remembered that another way to get rolled for some games is also to get someone to stake you.

Now there is some wisdom for ya!

anyone wanna stake me $100 bucs come one ill play $5nl and stay in the roll any takers........... when i started the post i had 20 bucs now i got over 50. i did it playing dollar 45 mans and some 2 dollar heads up games. when i got to 35 bucs i took a shoot at a 5$ 4 man heads up tourney and won. now im going to stick to $2nl and $1 45'S and maybe a big 2$ mtt im almost there will have to just see. still wondering, cash games or mtt's. witch way should he go George witch way?

Duvall I know you are on a short BR but please be very careful with your Br if you do not intend to deposit. Taking shots in the 2$ mtt and the 5 hu is already breaking fundamental Br management.

Mind you that the Hu games have some of the biggest variances. Good luck

Originally Posted by mr.duvall25

anyone wanna stake me $100 bucs come one ill play $5nl and stay in the roll any takers........... when i started the post i had 20 bucs now i got over 50. i did it playing dollar 45 mans and some 2 dollar heads up games. when i got to 35 bucs i took a shoot at a 5$ 4 man heads up tourney and won. now im going to stick to $2nl and $1 45'S and maybe a big 2$ mtt im almost there will have to just see. still wondering, cash games or mtt's. witch way should he go George witch way?

My advice is that no one provides mr.duvall25 with funds of any sort since that would most likely be a -EV proposition at this point.

My other advice is that mr.duvall25 plays 2nl and no tournaments.

play only 1$ sngs 9-handed non turbo only.I turned 10$ into 90$ in a week and a half before tilting my way into higher limits and going broke.