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    To add water to the mill, if you call KsQs in this spot only for flush value, then you might as well play any two suited cards. Do you suggest this is a good idea?

    To answer your questions:
    - no it is not a good idea to call a single raise on the button against this range, even if he was full stacked, and probably not even if you were 100% sure he would donate his entire 100bb stack when you hit your flush (hints: you only flop a flush draw about 11% of the time, and if that happens you will still only hit your flush by the river 35% of the time, flush draws are easy to spot, so the implied odds associated with them are less than you think, implied odds are also less when you are OOP, and implied odds are also less against tight players)
    - what do you mean "the pot is 15.5?" Was this 100nl?
    - your odds calcs are correct. Calling is marginally wrong if you assume he will stack off 100% of the time if you hit on the turn. But since he does most likely not always stack off, this is more than marginally wrong.
    - what Pokerstove gives you are your odds of hitting by the river (two cards), not your odds of hitting on the turn. And again, you should not include AK in his flop range after he bet full pot (at the very least, you should certainly not include all 12 combos of AK).
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post

    - no it is not a good idea to call a single raise on the button against this range, even if he was full stacked, and probably not even if you were 100% sure he would donate his entire 100bb stack when you hit your flush (hints: you only flop a flush draw about 11% of the time, and if that happens you will still only hit your flush by the river 35% of the time, flush draws are easy to spot, so the implied odds associated with them are less than you think, implied odds are also less when you are OOP, and implied odds are also less against tight players)
    Thank you for this! Although this is obvious in hindsight, (I know all of this, the hard part is putting it together in 15 seconds, i guess) it makes me think twice about the spewy calls I've been making. Thanks again everyone, this is the best feedback yet!

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