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    Default Question about odds...

    Complete noob question here, but here goes...I'm always seeing people on here talking about "this hand being a slight favorite against a random hand" and other stuff about odds. I know there's a ton of different odds that the pros and other top players know. Can somebody please give me a quick rundown on what odds I need to know and where to find em?
    There's three types of people in the world...those who can count, and those who can't.
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    Go here:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-odds-charts.html

    The navigation for the different sections is on the right.
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    Hey thanks man, that's exactly what I needed.
    There's three types of people in the world...those who can count, and those who can't.
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    Default How to compile 'outs'

    Newbie question here. What do I use when calculating outs? Do I calculate to the nuts or to a hand more likely to win? Here's an example:

    My hand: Kc Th

    Flop: 5d Td Qc 5c

    3 players in before the flop.

    I have 2 outs to trips. I have 3 outs to KKTT, likely high 2-pair.

    Do I go with 2 outs here or 5 outs when trying to calculate the odds if I should make a call on a bet after the flop?

    thanks!
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    Calculate for the minimum hand that you believe will beat your opponent's current hand.

    In your example, you have to decide whether your opponent is betting with trips, 2-pair, or top pair (or overpair) and go from there. You also need to factor in the likelihood that he may be stone-cold bluffing or semi-bluffing a flush or straight draw.
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    I have 2 outs to trips. I have 3 outs to KKTT, likely high 2-pair.
    In this example you have 2 outs to a boat since the board is paired.
    Out of the 3 k's out one of them completes a flush so it is a 'tainted' out
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    Default outs

    Thanks for the feedback. In the above example, I accidentally included the turn card. I made my outs calculation/call before the turn.

    There were five players in on the flop. All called before the flop. I had no information on any of the players to indicate any trends. Basically no one exhibited any behavior that would make me think there was a bluff or they had trips, etc. $2/$4 game and thus $10 in on the flop.

    Two $2 raises in front of me, so I counted my outs with the two-pair outs and called a $2 (min) raise. I had it as 5 outs (4-1) vs. $2 bet/$14 pot (7-1). With 3 outs it would be 7-1 and not a sure call.

    Was I right to call? Or should I have just counted 3 outs.

    Not a very sexy hand, but I want to figure out if I'm doing the right math.

    thanks for all the input!
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    cardplayer.com has a great odds calculator, it should help you get a "feel" for what to expect from hands in situations and draw equity etc..
    take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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    In this specific hand I would fold.
    After the flop you have MPGK.
    Your outs - TcTs - probably good
    K gives you 2 pair but completes possible str8s and possible flush - those are tainted outs.

    You also have to take into account that you are 4:1 to hit your outs on the turn or the river, but you do not see those 2 cards for $2. First of all if there are 5 people in the pot then 2 can act after you and raise you, but even if they fold on the turn you will probably have to pay $4 to a $20 or $24 pot with 10% of hitting you outs, even if you assume 5 outs


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