QTs squeeze?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $9.32 (93.2 bb) - 48/26, 0/1 fold to 3b
Hero (SB): $12.49 (124.9 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb) - 24/12
UTG: $13.96 (139.6 bb)
MP: $7.05 (70.5 bb)
CO: $18.71 (187.1 bb) - 25/16, 1/2 fold to 3b. steal total 28%, 11% CO, 38% BU, 50% SB, 170 hands

Preflop: Hero is SB with T Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, Hero ??

okay so is this a decent spot to squeeze as a bluff or am i burning money? is it better to just purely be squeezing in this spot with a strong range due to BU's fishiness? what would the bottom of your squeezing range be?

Are postflop stats and notes not important for squeezing?

There is no point attempting to squeeze if you can't get your opponent to fold postflop enough to make it valuable. At least that's my understanding of it, may be wrong.

Although given the 3bet sample size I'll assume you don't have any stats of real value, but maybe you've noted some of their tendencies post flop?

As you said I don't like squeezing here very much, first because of the station otb, and also it's a 4x raise so you're likely going to find yourself in a huge pot oop with a marginal hand against a guy who doesn't fold.

Also does that CO always open 4x in LP?

CO stats matter here a lot. If he's opening the buttong and CO enough it's a good spot.

Originally Posted by daviddem

As you said I don't like squeezing here very much, first because of the station otb, and also it's a 4x raise so you're likely going to find yourself in a huge pot oop with a marginal hand against a guy who doesn't fold.

Why does it have to be a 4x raise?

Is the idea not to get the CO to fold and the BTN to call? Surely you can do that with less than a 4x raise?

No I mean the CO opened 4x, I didn't say you have to 3b 4x.

And I am not sure if the idea is for the CO to fold and the button to call or if it is for both to fold. Even if the button calls with worse, we are still OOP.

It need sto be pretty big because your out of position and trying to disuade calls from players in position that can out play you post flop

Sorry didn't see the button stats, ya I'd bet around 2.5-3x

Originally Posted by jyms

Sorry didn't see the button stats, ya I'd bet around 2.5-3x

Sounds a bit on the small side? Would you 3b so small with AA here?

added CO's steal stats to OP

Originally Posted by daviddem

Sounds a bit on the small side? Would you 3b so small with AA here?

Nope, but this is 10NL and I don't think there will be enough history amongst me and anyone to have a clue about my betting sizes in a squeeze spot.

I would very much prefer calling with QTs here.

Your relative position (this is something SO overlooked even by players at MSNL) plus the BB seeming to be passive and unlikely to squeeze behind given his stats would make it preferable to squeeze a more polarized range like Q7s and stuff at the top of your folding range, along with your big pairs, while you flat call strong bway type hands that will dominate some hands in your opponents ranges (from the opener, to the cold caller, to the big blind) (bb will probably flat any suited Q, Kx etc so your QT plays well and if BB squeezes you can muck pretty easily.

If that isn't clear let me know, bit of disorganized ramble.

thanks all for the replies.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

I would very much prefer calling with QTs here.

Your relative position (this is something SO overlooked even by players at MSNL) plus the BB seeming to be passive and unlikely to squeeze behind given his stats would make it preferable to squeeze a more polarized range like Q7s and stuff at the top of your folding range, along with your big pairs, while you flat call strong bway type hands that will dominate some hands in your opponents ranges (from the opener, to the cold caller, to the big blind) (bb will probably flat any suited Q, Kx etc so your QT plays well and if BB squeezes you can muck pretty easily.

If that isn't clear let me know, bit of disorganized ramble.

thanks for reply, makes sense, mostly...

I didn't even really consider just flatting. i don't understand the concept of relative position, all i really know is OOP = bad, which is why my first thought here is squeeze i guess because i don't want to play pots OOP and thus would prefer to take it down pre. but relative position is sort of a new concept for me.

i'll definately look around and see if i can find some articles/information on relative position but what is it about this specific spot that makes the relative position good?

You are going to be last to act after the initial raiser makes his cbet which he will a huge % of the time OR you get to act after he shows weakness and the BTN bets which isn't as big of a deal but you'll still get to use this new information.

Basically it goes check(we do this most of the time), bet, some action, we are last to act essentially in a 3way pot to the flop.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

You are going to be last to act after the initial raiser makes his cbet which he will a huge % of the time OR you get to act after he shows weakness and the BTN bets which isn't as big of a deal but you'll still get to use this new information.

Basically it goes check(we do this most of the time), bet, some action, we are last to act essentially in a 3way pot to the flop.

Ah thanks for clearing that up