qq vs ep agg on dry board

[Zorkion]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (8 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($3.94)
UTG ($7.79)
UTG+1 ($6.31)
Hero (MP1) ($9.56)
MP2 ($4.02)
CO ($3.94)
Button ($6.19)
SB ($3.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.26, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.56) J, 2, 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.36) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.68, Hero calls $0.68

River: ($2.72) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $1.36, Hero calls $1.36

Total pot: $5.44 | Rake: $0.36


thoughts? opp is relatively unknown, and hasnt really done anything out of line. I usually dont like to take such a passive line, but opp showed strength preflop, and stayed agg on a fairly dry board, especially since i dont see him rr-ing aj from sb

[Shotglass]

Without any significant reads, I'd say it's pretty standard as long as you got some usefull information from the showdown.

[Nekrogovner]

I fold river. I find too many AA, KK and JJ doing this.

[eugmac]

I'm never folding river.

[Miffed22001]

Im probably calling the flop with the intention of getting to showdown if checked to and folding to another barrel

[BooG690]

In how many hands has he not "done anything out of line?" Being that he's a relative unknown, you can't discount his doing this with AJ. He's most likely some recreational player (I'm getting this from the fact that he doesn't have auto-reload on). Recreational players DO 3bet with AJ in the SB (along with other trouble hands).*

Also, please note his half-pot sizing on the turn and river. It's hard to really put him on a pair higher than your QQ. As I said earlier, it wouldn't be all to surprising if he held AJ or even a mid pocket pair.

Given that, I like shoving this river given it's most likely impossible for him to fold {AJ, TT-77} with what he's left behind. Sure, you may see JJ+ some percentage of the time...but it's hella weird given his line.

* - please don't take this to mean 3betting with AJ in the SB is never the correct play.

[Miffed22001]

In how many hands has he not "done anything out of line?" Being that he's a relative unknown, you can't discount his doing this with AJ. He's most likely some recreational player (I'm getting this from the fact that he doesn't have auto-reload on). Recreational players DO 3bet with AJ in the SB (along with other trouble hands).*

Also, please note his half-pot sizing on the turn and river. It's hard to really put him on a pair higher than your QQ. As I said earlier, it wouldn't be all to surprising if he held AJ or even a mid pocket pair.

Given that, I like shoving this river given it's most likely impossible for him to fold {AJ, TT-77} with what he's left behind. Sure, you may see JJ+ some percentage of the time...but it's hella weird given his line.

* - please don't take this to mean 3betting with AJ in the SB is never the correct play.

This just feels like setting a buy in on fire - i just dont agree.

he doesnt 3bet AJ from the SB at 4nl and then haf pot every street - thats a big pair in my experience

[BooG690]

This just feels like setting a buy in on fire - i just dont agree.

he doesnt 3bet AJ from the SB at 4nl and then haf pot every street - thats a big pair in my experience

Why don't you think he 3bets AJ from the SB? AJ looks sexy to recreational players.

As for the big pair, I'm just not seeing him half-potting and not shoving his big pair. Does Cake have a 1/2 pot button by any chance?

[Zorkion]

Yeah, Cake has buttons for 1/2pot 2/3 pot, and pot

[oskar]

Even if he can have AJ, there are still more combos of JJ+. He needs to be doing this with either AK or Jx sometimes as well for you to make that call down.
And Even if AJ can be in his range, it's still weighted towards KK+

At 4NL you never make too much of a mistake by folding, because a generic 4NL villain is extremely passive and you will not get exploited to the point of being unable to beat the stakes, even if you fold too much.

I agree with Miffed. I would call the flop and fold to another barrel.

[DoubleJ]

...he doesn't have auto-reload on...

apologies if this is derailing the thread, but what's the general view on auto-reload?

useful? indispensible? gimmicky?

[eugmac]

apologies if this is derailing the thread, but what's the general view on auto-reload?

useful? indispensible? gimmicky?

I think the general consensus is if you like money, you turn it on.

[Zorkion]

with regards to the auto-reload read, thats not reliable information. Cake poker is a little strange on that regard in that when you have auto-reload on, it doesnt kick in until youre down like .2-.25 or so.

[DoubleJ]

I think the general consensus is if you like money, you turn it on.

There is nothing quite as wonderful as money!
There is nothing quite as beautiful as cash!
Some people say it's folly, but I'd rather have the lolly,
With money you can make a splash!

errmm...sorry.

so...just keep ur stacked topped-up to the max at all times?

[oskar]

so...just keep ur stacked topped-up to the max at all times?

I don't. I see the buy-in amount as just another poker decision. It's not like bigger is always best, even if you have an edge against everyone.
+ you get insta-tagged as fish by new regs, which is rarely bad.

[Nekrogovner]

apologies if this is derailing the thread, but what's the general view on auto-reload?

useful? indispensible? gimmicky?

Say you got 50bb stack instead of 100 because you lost it in some action. And then you get nuts, and fullystacked fish shoves you, and you call. And you win 50bbs. Instead of 100. And now you cry because you could've actually win double amount of moniez. And that is pretty much like you lost 50bb because you make bad decisions in poker. Like not having auto-rebuy on. Or checking the nuts on river IP.

So thats general view. That you want everyone elses whole stack. Not half. Not third. Not quarter.

[rpm]

looks completely fine to me.

[eugmac]

A quick stoving putting his range at JJ+, and an arbitrarily reduced 6 combos of AJ (i.e. assuming he might do this with AJs every time, and 33% of the time with AJo), we have 29% equity, and we need 25% to call profitably.
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[oskar]

A quick stoving putting his range at JJ+, and an arbitrarily reduced 6 combos of AJ (i.e. assuming he might do this with AJs every time, and 33% of the time with AJo), we have 29% equity, and we need 25% to call profitably.
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Total pot: $5.44 | Rake: $0.36

0.29*(4.08 - 0.36) + 0.71*(-1.36) =

goddammit! it's +11c.



oooh! But it's 28.57% equity that we need, you sneaky bastard!





God I hate when I think I got this and I don't. It's still +$0.091 EV.
But I'm still not backing down on folding the turn. I would at this point just take more combos off AJ out to prove my point. The day I loose an argument against a goddamn banana is the day I quit the internet.

[Shotglass]

Oskar, if you don't use auto rebuy then when do you decide to top off? 50bb, 75bb
c'mon inquiring minds want to know

[Shotglass]

Gimme the stack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You get to 25nl then you'll find that your oponents are A LOT more aggressive about getting your ENTIRE stack than they are at 4nl. By that time you should have developed that same mindset. Betsizing each street to get AI by the river when you're ahead. Protecting your stack when you're not. It's best to start good habits (decisions) early. Turn on auto reload.

[oskar]

If I want a full stack, I top off immediately. Getting lazy when it's only 1bb, but will def. top off for 3.
I started turning it off shortly after I started playing deep tables. It used to tilt me to no end if there was an agressive reg to my left with a deep stack, I lost a pot and it immediately topped me off. You need a pretty big edge to beat someone who has position on you on all but one hand in an orbit. And good regs on deep tables will 3b you relentlessly IP, and they are correct to do so, so you have to effectively pass up a lot of profitable situations with fish who are behind or limped in front of you.
Or you might want a shallower stack to exploit people who tend to open too big, or you might want to decrease your variance and be able to get it in with one pair against a maniac etc. I care less about it on 100bb tables, but I still keep it off. If there's a 100bb+ reg to my left and the biggest fish stack on my right is 80bb, I only top off after I fall below 80.

[DoubleJ]

muchas gracias amigos