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    Default QQ vs BB who C/R a fairly safe flop

    ok villain is a 32/27 ( 72 hands) had been pretty agressive at the table , C/R alot of cbets from other players . I was playing a pretty standard TAG game and hadn't been out of line at all , vllain wasn't 'dumb' or at least i didn't consider him to be awfull , loves to put on the pressure and so on. noticed that he was likely to play draws pretty agressive vs nits and C/R alot wet flops , turns. though never seen a hand go to showdown. he folded a healthy 80% of bb vs a steal ( though only 5 occasions) . basically with the little bit of information i had i perceive his range to be pretty wide here. i hadn't been stealing wide on the btn at this table , this might change some of the dynamic postflop.

    basically hoping i was correct to get it in , nvm the turn , that was a no brainer , secondly , what's ur play here when a diamond peels off on the turn or a high card/ lowcard. i find this extremely difficult to asses on these types of boards , so many turns will make me wanna vomit. so basically i am asking if my flop play was ok , secondly what would ur play be if a horror card comes on the turn.

    thank you

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($5.77)
    UTG ($5.43)
    MP ($12.50)
    Hero (Button) ($5.07)
    SB ($6)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, BB calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.36) 6, 6, 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BB raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.66, BB calls $1.10

    Turn: ($3.68) Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.90, BB raises to $3.80, Hero calls $1.34 (All-In)

    River: ($10.16) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $10.16 | Rake: $0.49
    Last edited by TheLongGrind; 01-24-2011 at 10:25 AM.
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    Funny how spots like this are easier when we put people on ranges:

    He's really just repping 44(3), 66(1) and A6s/76s/65s(6). He could have other random 6x's but that's balanced by the fact that he doesn't always flat the other6x's pre and by the fact that a lot of people don't raise a boat/quads here. So that's 10 combos vs all the combos of draws he can have and he'll have air a lot cause of lol ATS spot against a lagg on a board that whiffed your range and he could play dominated overpairs like this a very non0%.

    So yeah don't fold. So do we flat or 3b? Well what does raising do to his range?

    Well his air will prolly shove some small percent, call almost never and fold the vast majority of the time. His draws will shove a ton a call a fair amount. His overpairs will fold some and continue cautiously some and stack off no matter what some. Finally his 6x's will shove a ton and call some and I'd expect his boats and quads to mostly flat. So we'll either be facing a shove against a more or less balanced range (some 6x, a good amount of draws a lot of which have ~50% equity against us and some air) or he will call with a range of some dominated pairs, a fair amount of nutted hands, some draws and very little air, or he'll fold which isn't so bad cause of dead money in a spot where some scare cards can hit

    If we call, we keep his range really wide and weak against someone who loves to bluff in position with a lot of money left for him to spew (but not so much that he'll have to overbet or be raised to get it in by the river. Since IMO I don't think the turn will be THAT hard to play (16/48 cards are either diamonds or overcards, but his air range and propensity to bluff and our rquity due to having the backdoor diamond is big enough to call turn bets on diamond turns) we stand to make more by keeping his range wide and letting him spew.

    Not bad analysis for being on an iPhone, eh?
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    nice stuff surviva tyvm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Funny how spots like this are easier when we put people on ranges:

    He's really just repping 44(3), 66(1) and A6s/76s/65s(6). He could have other random 6x's but that's balanced by the fact that he doesn't always flat the other6x's pre and by the fact that a lot of people don't raise a boat/quads here. So that's 10 combos vs all the combos of draws he can have and he'll have air a lot cause of lol ATS spot against a lagg on a board that whiffed your range and he could play dominated overpairs like this a very non0%.

    So yeah don't fold. So do we flat or 3b? Well what does raising do to his range?

    Well his air will prolly shove some small percent, call almost never and fold the vast majority of the time. His draws will shove a ton a call a fair amount. His overpairs will fold some and continue cautiously some and stack off no matter what some. Finally his 6x's will shove a ton and call some and I'd expect his boats and quads to mostly flat. So we'll either be facing a shove against a more or less balanced range (some 6x, a good amount of draws a lot of which have ~50% equity against us and some air) or he will call with a range of some dominated pairs, a fair amount of nutted hands, some draws and very little air, or he'll fold which isn't so bad cause of dead money in a spot where some scare cards can hit

    If we call, we keep his range really wide and weak against someone who loves to bluff in position with a lot of money left for him to spew (but not so much that he'll have to overbet or be raised to get it in by the river. Since IMO I don't think the turn will be THAT hard to play (16/48 cards are either diamonds or overcards, but his air range and propensity to bluff and our rquity due to having the backdoor diamond is big enough to call turn bets on diamond turns) we stand to make more by keeping his range wide and letting him spew.

    Not bad analysis for being on an iPhone, eh?
    Bad post.

    WAIT wait...nevermind. Good post. But seriously f that I could never type that out on my iTouch.

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