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  1. #1

    Default QQ hit set but heart filled board

    Villain was 20/10 over 100 hands. I had not seen him do anything crazy or notable.

    Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
    UTG+1: $6.38
    MP: $4.96
    CO: $4.35
    Hero (BTN): $4.36
    SB: $5.15
    BB: $4.00
    UTG: $4.00

    Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is BTN with Q Q
    2 folds, MP calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, MP calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.38) Q J 2 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.38, MP calls $0.38

    Turn: ($1.14) A (2 players)
    MP bets $0.57, Hero calls $0.57????

    River: ($2.28) 3 (2 players)
    MP bets $1.52, Hero??


    So pretty much the river is an easy fold right? I am worried about the turn should I have raised/fold here instead of just calling I think i prob had the best hand at the turn.
  2. #2
    Pre and flop fine, I think you can raise the turn but w/e, river easy fold.
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    I don't think turn is whatever, i think it's a mandatory raise he is calling with so much worse. River is an easy fold.
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    I think I'd just ship turn. Calling is atrocious.
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    Yeah villain's turn bet is usually the Ah and as such calling is a mistake, there's a shit ton of value on this turn. So calling turn is not w/e, kickass and supa are correct.
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    Def looks like Ah or KT withKh I would raise turn, I dont think shoving is good cuz even a fish csn laydown NFD on turn to huge overbet every once in awhile, I think shoving only gets called by KhTx and AhJx and small made flushes, what are his stats? Most fish like to open limp s.c. Type hands. Not probable but possible he already has flush. Maybe 1 out of 10 times but still, its above zero possibility.
  7. #7
    not raising this turn is a crime !
    Just fold riv
  8. #8
    Why are we so quick to fold the river? Why does he get credit for a heart or put us on one?
  9. #9
    My thoughts on both our ranges:

    Flop: Not sure if the full pot bet is standard or not. If it's standard, then it's just a c-bet on a big card wettish board after we repped a strong hand pre-flop. We could have a lot of hands here. If full pot in this spot is not-standard then we're representing something that hit this board very strong.

    His check/call here suggests a hand that doesn't mind waiting for the turn to put in money. If he sees the full pot bet as something other than a standard c-bet in this spot, then that would suggest he's got a stronger range here than normal.

    Turn:
    Ace is kind of a non-Ace scare card. His sudden bet suggests that either it improved his hand or he sees a chance to re-steal this in hopes that the Ace spooked us off or we really didn't have much to begin with. Our call actually looks a lot like we're the ones with the heart. Although if we did have a heart it's hard to have the Ah without the turn improving us and wanting to raise.

    River:
    There is a lot of shit he could have here and a set is a pretty darn good non-flush hand to look him up with. If we never call here without a flush we're giving him too good of a bluffing opportunity. My biggest hesitation to call is that if we reverse hand read it looks a lot more like we're the ones drawing to a single heart or doing some sort of slow play with the nuts.

    Bottom line is that if I'm flatting the turn, then I'm not going to auto-fold a hart river because it's such a great bluff and his range has a lot of non-heart hands in it.

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