Quote Originally Posted by andy-akb
Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
If you go broke with 20 buy ins at anything lower than 100nl you arent playing good poker.
Its not really an arguement either.

Playing with 16 was perhaps a little dangerous if you are running bad but really you should be able to beat these players without just getting aa/kk all in preflop.
Having gone through a 25 buyin "downswing" at 200/100nl, I disagree with your statement.

Going broke at any stake does not simply mean you arent playing good poker, it means you have no bankroll management. If you are willing to move down then you shouldnt go broke with a 20 buyin bankroll [at the higher stakes its a little different but again if you move down, you shouldnt go broke although at those stakes youd be moving up and down all the time with all the swings they generate]. At below 100nl yea, you probably arent that great if you drop 20 buyins, but a worse player could stay afloat with proper management. Again, it doesnt have anything to do specifically with your ability to play poker although your ability does contribute to it.

To say that you should change your requirements based on how you are "running" is to not understand variance.
It's not really an argument either.

Am I arguing semantics? Maybe; however, making those blanket statements that aren't correct even if just on a technical level doesn't help much, especially when posted in a beginner's forum.
I think Miff means that 16 can run it close if you happen to run bad from this point forward, not like 16 buyins is too close if you are in the midddle of running bad and will continue to.