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    Default Probably a rash stack off.

    Villain is 34/9 over 28 hands and limp calls a bunch preflop.

    I raised the flop to get value from draws and lesser over pairs, but didn't actually decide prior to doing this whetehr it was actually good idea to stack off.

    I then decided he could do this with all his flush draws for sure and possibly some terribly played 99 TT JJ. It's probably a fold though because smalls pairs that have sets here are very much in his range aswell as some stright combos and even the draws I'm ahead of, I don't have great equity vs.

    Can we just raise/fold this flop since this guy looks passive and unlikely to ship draws too often?

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($24.75)
    MP ($5)
    Hero (CO) ($36.65)
    Button ($25)
    SB ($43.45)
    BB ($29)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
    UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1

    Flop: ($2.85) 5, 3, 4 (2 players)
    UTG bets $1.50, Hero raises $5.75, UTG raises $22 (All-In), Hero calls $17.75

    Turn: ($49.85) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($49.85) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $49.85
  2. #2
    I think you're right in that his stats and tendencies suggest someone who isn't doing this with draws. Maybe not often, maybe not ever. Definitely might do it with 99-JJ IF he limp/called preflop. With 9 PFR I would expect him to raise that subrange UTG. More a question of 66-88 that are more likely to have limp-called and which may go all-in putting you on a draw (your image?) 66 kind of stands out and illustrates your point - if you are ahead he might have very good equity against you.

    I don't mind a fold.
  3. #3
    Does anyone prefer flatting his flop donk? I still think it's a clear raise/fold now I look at it.
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    I'd probably of played exactly as you did. What's his PTR stats say? Anything relevant?
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    I think you're correct about the raise/fold line. I think that flatting the flop might just lead you into an even worse spot.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
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    i dont mind it... i play the same.
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    how is this a clear raise fold?
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    is this the widest range we can give him?

    Board: 3c 5c 4s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 60.450% 58.82% 01.63% 20964 580.50 { QcQh }
    Hand 1: 39.550% 37.92% 01.63% 13515 580.50 { 99-33, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc }

    i like raise/folding because a lot of the pairs he limped in that we beat will continue and we also charge whatever flush draws he may have. that said, i fold to the bet/3bet line. i'm thinking 33-66, given that this guy is probably pretty passive and doesn't play flush draws this aggro. even though 66 is obviously in worse shape than an overcard and a flush draw (against your stack-off range), i think he is more likely to treat it as a "made" hand because its an "overpair" and a straight draw, whereas flush draws are just naked flush draws.

    Board: 3c 5c 4s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 34.071% 32.40% 01.67% 4812 247.50 { QcQh }
    Hand 1: 65.929% 64.26% 01.67% 9543 247.50 { 66-33 }
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    What did he show up with here?
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Donachello
    What did he show up with here?
    3h4h obv

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