Quote Originally Posted by AFchung
Quote Originally Posted by RoyalProdigy
I'm sorry AFchung i meant to say "well if your going to feel commited by making a bet on the river then check and get bluffed out of every pot that you don't have the nuts on the river because your not commited to call.
yes, because a 24/0 who has shown little aggression is going to float two streets and bluff shove the river when checked to...
He just might semi-bluff shove because you waved the white flag. I don't believe this to be the case in this situation. I just don't agree with betting nothing on the river, if betting on the river makes you feel commited then so be it but by not betting you look really weak. That is all i'm saying. You gave up on the hand completely and maybe it was the right thing but maybe it wasnt. I'm just trying to say there are ways to finding out if you are beat or not and checking is not the only way and the best way all the time. I'm just trying to help you look at it from the other guys perspective. I call your raise we see a flop. You C-bet on a dry flop. i call. you bet the turn. i call. you check the river. Why? because your weak end of story. I probably wouldnt have to go all in to get you off your hand but he did. A 3 dollar bet and you would of folded because it would have commited you. I know you wouldnt check the straight because you would want value on it and you risk only winning the pot if you check. So all the information that i'm getting is adding up to one thing.
Now if you bet the river it looks like your commiting yourself because of your stack on the table but by applying that pressure hes thinking he wouldnt bet here unless he had it because hes commiting himself. Your making it look like you a want call. I'm never really committed to a pot that i know i'm beat in, no matter how much money i got in there. So after the flop and turn you have a 7 dollar stack still or around there. a 3 dollar bet represents a hand you want called and your still in control if he goes all in then hes got the straight and you know it. A. you can just check pray that he checks even though you showed that your week or B. get pushed out of the pot or C. Do what i said above. This is a tough hand without a doubt. I just hate hitting the surrender/check button if i don't have to. I'd rather loose a hand being the agressor than lose it any other way.