Yeah, I agree, it's tough to put a strict ranking on hands in holdem, especially no limit. So much depends on so much. Just like the riddle between 22, AK, 98s, right?

Yup, 9 top pair is a sick joke, lol.

Group7's, especially A9, K9, are all suspect in my opinion, passive tables and button position or one off are key. jmrogers, I agree and play it similarly, and even those hands can outkick the idiots playing A or K anything - good observance. I mean, that is the reality against a sea of fish.

If I'm playing against you guys at a table, everything changes. But I try not to play against players like you or me, I aim for the guy who plays junk from anywhere and calls pre-flop raises with anything. So understanding the weakness of my hand, and the weakness of my opponent and opponent's hand, is always forefront in my game.