PokerTracker

Originally Posted by Keith

DO you think I 'd honestly advise someone to take up a deal that ties them in so that they could only use it on one site and require a payment to unlock it for other sites.

Do you honestly think a site such as cardrunners would do that and risk the outrage and backlash from the poker community when it emerged that that was what they were doing .?

Its targetted advice specific to the stakes that the OP is playing but it also works out as a pretty good deal for higher stakes players as well when you can get continuing cardrunners access just for playing .for titan you have to weigh up the value of the cardrunners deal versus other rake race deals at oyther affiliates. for Party alternate rb deals are banned by the network so the cardrunners training works out as a good source of extra rb and your getting training that should pay dividends in your winnings as well.

buying it outright would consume a 5nl bankroll. using the free trials of PT and HEM to use that 5nl bankroll to clear a first deposit bonus at either party or titan and it results in the training video access and a free copy of hem has to be better than paying for it outright.

No reason to get super-defensive, I wasn't implying that the cardrunners deal was this way for sure, I was just throwing it out there as something to watch out for. Who knows, maybe someone reads this thread and ends up seeing some other site offer for a free tracker.

And as you've explained the requirement to rake $100 before getting the tracker could be difficult for some people achieve depending on their volume (which equates to over $1000 in bets), so if their free trials ran out and the hadn't raked enough by that point then they would be stuck without a tracker in the interim; why I said just better to buy it outright imo. But for the right person, who plays high volume and could achieve the required rake in short order might make a good fit. Never meant any disrespect.

Originally Posted by Weissr

No reason to get super-defensive, I wasn't implying that the cardrunners deal was this way for sure, I was just throwing it out there as something to watch out for. Who knows, maybe someone reads this thread and ends up seeing some other site offer for a free tracker.

I wasn't getting defensive , I was correcting the fallacy that you were proposing that the cardrunners deal would shaft players signing up for it. Your statement uncorrected could prevent somebody reading this thread from taking up an opportunity to obtain a free copy of tracking software and ongoing access to training videos.

You made no effort to distinguish the cardrunners offer from any other sites who may or may not do what you claim. A list of sites to avoid who do what you claim would help people from falling victim to their scam , but you didn't provide that piece of information.

And as you've explained the requirement to rake $100 before getting the tracker could be difficult for some people achieve depending on their volume (which equates to over $1000 in bets), so if their free trials ran out and the hadn't raked enough by that point then they would be stuck without a tracker in the interim; why I said just better to buy it outright imo. But for the right person, who plays high volume and could achieve the required rake in short order might make a good fit. Never meant any disrespect.

utilising the month free trial of PT4 and another month trial of HEM means a rake of 50$ per month. That is easily achievable even at the lowest stakes.probably ~15k 6 max hands per month at 4 or 5 nl depending on site.

Should the worst happen and their trials run out , they still needn't be without a tracker . they can utilise the free open source tracker as a stopgap.
Free/open source poker tracking software: FPDB - (Release Candidate 0.29.905) - 17 Feb 2012 - Free Software -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Also you haven't addressed my other point. People looking to invest in tracking software are likely to be beginners. They probably have a small bankroll i.e playing 2 or 5nl and may not want to invest more than their bankroll in tracking software. Other people may well be willing to buy directly ,but some people cannot afford to lay out the money up front .They may not want to buy software which they would have little use for if they find they cannot beat the stakes.

By saying that you advise people to buy it outright you have catered for those people who can afford to buy it outright. My suggestion allows those people who can't afford to buy it outright to still obtain tracking software and have the bonus of free training video access as well. This may also appeal to those people who could have bought it outright , but also allows them to samle training videos as well.