asdpikas: I have yet to see any thread/post by you even half as meaningful and thought-provoking as this thread is. It honestly doesn't matter whether this concept is posted on the damn FTR homepage, as it is still overlooked by beginners, and even more advanced players, all the time. The power of this thread doesn't come in the form of knowing which hand can be shoved profitably. That is just a byproduct and simply added to this thread. The real use of this thread gets players to begin thinking for themselvs on this topic, as well as many more related topics. They begin to understand how things work and, more importantly, WHY! We see that you can google something and copy/paste the information. But instead of spitting the information back up, let it digest and learn from it (fucking stupid comparison, but oh well!).