Quote Originally Posted by larsmars
Quote Originally Posted by pankfish
If the shorty is all in and beating me I'm losing the money in the pot no matter how many people are in the pot. Why would I care if the short stack gets my money or if reg 2 gets my money? Why would I allow an extra hand that is worse than mine stick around for free?
Because nobody likes short stacks? Seriously, though, if you're not winning anyway, then it doesn't really matter if a worse hand sticks around for free. If you know shorty has you beat, but you don't know what the other guy has, then it's fairly obvious why you shouldn't bet.

Quote Originally Posted by pankfish
Since when is betting a 952 rainbow board with A Q a bluff?
It's not, but there's little value in betting it in these spots and it's bad for metagame. However, unlike betting 34, which is just retarded, there is an argument for betting AQ.

Quote Originally Posted by shazbox
Quote Originally Posted by JinxT4
I couldn't agree more with this and fail to see why people do this. I know it increases the bettor's chances of winning (so maybe I see one reason), but it still puzzles me when he bets AQ on a 952 rainbow, makes me fold something like 88 (figuring he has a higher pp and wouldn't bluff an empty side pot), and then lose to the AI player's unimproved AK.

But there are also the cases when he bluffs you off your 8s and wins against unimproved AJ. So good move for him because he would have lost otherwise.
And next time you bluff him off his 8s and you lose to shorty's unimproved AK, so as a general strategy it's a bad move for you and the other guy to keep doing this. In fact, if you are equally skilled, the best thing for you two would be to always just check it down. I'm not saying you should check a good hand all the way through, though, because I wouldn't trust the other guy to do the same, and hopefully you have an edge.

You obviously don't get it. If you bluff once and the non-shorty folds (who could have beat you) and you win, then you bluff a second time, non-shorty folds, and you lose, you are still better off than letting the non-shorty stay in and have a chance to beat you. Bluffing the other guy out of the pot increases your equity and is therefore a positive move for you. Also, if he sees you bluffing dry side pots all day long, you will get paid off by him when you actually hit something and he thinks you are just bluffing him out again.

Also, what are you doing in the all in pot with 2 people with 34?


Quote Originally Posted by JinxT4
I couldn't agree more with this and fail to see why people do this. I know it increases the bettor's chances of winning (so maybe I see one reason), but it still puzzles me when he bets AQ on a 952 rainbow, makes me fold something like 88 (figuring he has a higher pp and wouldn't bluff an empty side pot), and then lose to the AI player's unimproved AK.
Increasing your chance of winning isn't just ONE reason for doing most things, it IS the reason for doing them. The whole point of the game is to win.