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    Default Playing weak made hands on the flop Question

    Finally got arounf 50k hands in my nldb and i have found that one of my biggest post flop leaks is second through 4th pair on the flop. I have tried different lines and they are all in the read. Some more so then others To start off i would like to talk about flopped second pair.

    Even at 50k hands it does not take many filters to make the data in significant.

    If i ckeck fold 2nd pair i'm -209 bb
    if i c-call i'm-217 bb
    if i craise i'm +8.27 bb but the sample sise is less then 100 hands but maybe i'll try this line some more as so far everything else is just bleeding me dry. As far as lines starting with a check go

    lets try leading out

    BF=-27bb but once again small sample size
    BC=-97bb
    br=-800 bb but once again small sample

    So if i bet it looks like i'm screwed. If i check i'm likely screwed.
    Any advice I know a lot depends on villain but i know you guys got have some general tipesfor plaing 2nd pair.
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    Oh and i've never really experimented with floating with a flopped 2nd pair but i will run i filter to see what i get.
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    You're not supposed to be winning with flopped fourth pair. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    You're not supposed to be winning with flopped fourth pair. Just a thought.
    You beat me to it. Try folding, learn to love it. Next time, just let it go.
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    Well right now i'm talking about flopped second pair and check folding is -209 BBs over a 300 hand sample. Surely there must be a better way?
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    Yeah there is. Put your opponent on a goddamn range and proceed from there.
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    You should post some hands and give us your thinking and all that good stuff. Wouldn't hurt and would probably help a lot.
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    ok this is a kinda old hand as i don't ss anymore

    Absolute Poker (Cash Game): $0.01/$0.02 NL, 7 players
    Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:00 EST
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    B3 ($9.02)
    B2 ($5.02)
    B1 ($2.66)
    BN ($0.34)
    SB ($3.97)
    Hero ($0.80)
    B4 ($2.96)

    BN is the button.

    Precards:
    SB posts the small blind $0.01, Hero posts the big blind $0.02.

    Preflop: Hero is dealt 9 Q (7 active)
    B4 folds, B3 calls $0.02, B2 calls $0.02, B1 calls $0.02, BN folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks.

    Flop: 5 9 J ($0.10, 5 active)
    SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

    Turn: 5 9 J 8 ($0.10, 5 active)
    SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

    River: 5 9 J 8 7 ($0.10, 5 active)
    SB checks, Hero checks, B3 checks, B2 checks, B1 checks.

    My thinking on the flop is with that many folks 2nd pair is likely no good and i didn't wannna get raised. Perhaps i could of bet the turn after it was checked to me?
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    Perhaps you could have put your opponents on ranges?
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    I left stats out because my poker sleuth isn't working right and i honestly don't remember what there stats were.
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    You don't need stats to estimate ranges. Less excuses, more analysis. Get it together man. Make like Nike and just do it. :]

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