Quote Originally Posted by bigslikk
SC implied odds:
well, "connectors" anyway

http://www.pokerstove.com/analysis/unsuited.php

I found the article pretty enlightening, in terms of just how great the "implied odds" of certain trash hands need to be in order to play them. Note: his connector / gapper hands are all 8 high or worse.

I still need time to digest the article
That article is for limit play if I'm correct.

The thing with implied odds for SC's is that a lot of factors come into play wether you actually do have the implied odds you think you have. Most importantly;
- How well can you play draws.
- How likely is you opponent to stack off.

As an indication; most players are even with SC's or small winners. Yes SC's can win big pots, but they cost a lot to get to that one big pot too, so in the end they're not big winners.

PP's flop a big hand or not. Therefor the 15x rule is pretty static, as long as your opponent is likely to pay your sets off reasonably, it's a good rule.
SC's flop a lot of draws, not made hands. Draws cost a lot and you have to make up for the the few times you actually hit, or can outplay your opponent.

You'll flop a OESD or better 1 out of 4 times. That seems a lot, but keep in mind that there are a lot of not-made hands in there. Therefor getting at least 20x implied odds seems reasonably, as a minimum.

As a rule, I think you should lean towards 25x to make some money, and thats already a full buyin with a 4BB PFR. Therefor calling a single raise with a SC and 100BB stacks is marginal at best and a lot of people are better of waiting for spots to be the PFR themselves.