playing KK when the flop has an A

I just got burnt playing this, so I would like other's opinions.

I got dealt KK at a 10p table. I raise the blinds and force all but 1 other out - after me.

The flop comes rainbow, but with an A. Again, there's one person also in, sitting after me. I proceed to bet out, and he calls. This continues until the river and he shows his A.

I probably should've let off after the turn (or river), but I didn't really believe him and didn't have enough info to really know anything about him.

Does anyone have any advice on how to play this - even with QQ for example?

Thanks.
Eric

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lol. Thanks

I would normally check raise or raise the flop. So you can see where you stand or check fold. Depends on the circumstance. If you have position on him I would have def. bet the flop.

Give it a bet on the flop but if you get called slow down and look to fold.

Against more than one opponent don't even bother betting. It's not worth it.

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

just close your eyes and try and pretend its not there

(odds of an Ace on the flop when you have pocket Kings = 100%)

Odds of you catching an ace (assuming no one holds KK!) to pair your hole ace on the flop = 0%

if your getting called you have to slow down i think. If they called a preflop the obvious hands are hands with an A..or pairs. +KQ, KJ, JQ, K10 (and other shitty "good" hands).. but the shit ones arent calling on a A flop. Betting with a weakish hand with no knowledge of players is risky, too often you'll find yourself donating half your stack.

When you bet into an ace high board and get called, it's either a draw or it's an ace or better (Two pair, Trips). You stated it was a rainbow flop, so it should have been elementary to you that it was time to stop betting after the first call.

There is a very compelling argument for checking an ace high flop, I just have to go find it

I normally bet out on those flops and if they raise then I get out.

Originally Posted by edudlive

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

just close your eyes and try and pretend its not there

(odds of an Ace on the flop when you have pocket Kings = 100%)

Odds of you catching an ace (assuming no one holds KK!) to pair your hole ace on the flop = 0%

Odds of a king coming after you release = Priceless.

This is the same sort of arguement we get with pocket Jacks.
Think of it this way.
If you raise the pot their is a reason, therefore hammer the flop hard regardless, even if you have KK on an ace high board. To be honest, unless he's certain he has you outkicked eg AK, AA even and hes flat called behind you then really hes playin bad poker imo if he calls your continuation bet.
Ok on this occasion hes right but how many times is he going to poice you down to the river with AJ or AQ when you have better. Enough to make the play.
So bet the flop regardless. But obviously if he calls you have to make a tough call. Have you got a calling station or someone who has you read like a book?
The turn is yours to choose but you probably have to check it with KK and not give your chips away. Like everyone else says the always have it when i have KK. (and its usually Ax as well!)

There was a time where I was holding 10s and someone raised x5 BB and i called. the flop was low cards expect for a QUEEN. He bet x20 BB this time and I pushed him all in. He showed me his Queen, 10 and folded and siad "my kickers not the best one, im not gonna take the chance." So maybe who knows? Someone holding ace 10 thinks his kickers isnt good enough?

It depends on the board. Since it's rainbow and theres an A, there probably is no draw. Represent the ace, and if they call they're probably repping an A and worried about your AK.

If they have something like AJ the worst thing you can do is bet on every street hoping that they'll fold. They won't.

You're either going to have to put on the brakes or put the pedal to the metal and push on the turn. He will fold his AJ if you bet deep. But frankly, this is too risky and typically I will just check fold. Maybe call if I think he's trying to make a move on me.

bet the flop, if raised, fold.

bet the flop, and pay attention to how he calls. Usually draws will call FAST, and a weak ace might sit there and think "hmm".

KK is a great hand, but good players play their cards, don't let your cards play you.

I would get out at the turn. I'm sure you bet quite big preflop so the only guy calling you has an ace in his hand or a PP he's trying to set. If you made a decent enough bet on the flop and he's still there he has either a pair of aces or made his set. Get out of this hand.