Playing Draws OOP vs. PFR

why call pre in hand 1?

Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket

why call pre in hand 1?

cuz i suck @ poker?



def gimme ur views, but i wanna focus on postflop ITT. if u fink it's off, just pretend it's a misclick or a cat-walked-on-the-keyboard scenario?

Calling preflop in hand is totally fine. You're doing the whole assuming you're wrong because you suck thing. Yeah you suck, but you can still get things right once in a while!

Try thinking about 3 betting vs flatting. What is villain continuing with if you 3 bet? How do you do vs this range? How does flatting compare with folding? How do you do vs his opening range? How does this reflect against the pot odds/price you're getting preflop? How will your hand play post flop? Will it flop well? Will it dominate villains range or be dominated? etc etc

Think about all these things and post some answers. You might mess it up horribly at first but if you say "I dunno I suck" every time someone asks you why you took X action, you sure as hell wont get better very quickly!

Becoming good at poker is about learning to solve problems on your own, and I find the best way to do this is a hands on approach.

Originally Posted by Carroters

...You're doing the whole assuming you're wrong because you suck thing...

sorry Coach

Originally Posted by Carroters

...Think about all these things and post some answers...

OK, let the cheerful, ritual humiliation begin...

What is villain continuing with if you 3 bet?
13/13/0 = nitty, so KK+,AK…maybe QQ

How do you do vs this range?
29% (7:3 Dog)

How does flatting compare with folding?
Folding = 0EV
Flatting puts me HU in a 6.5 BB pot vs. his full opening range

How do you do vs his opening range?
13/13 = 77+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+
46% (Evens) preflop
67% postflop (2:1 Fav)

How does this reflect against the pot odds/price you're getting preflop?
PreFlop Pot Odds = 2.25:1
Betting 0.08 to win 0.18 at 1:1 (ish) = +0.0396 EV

How will your hand play post flop? Will it flop well?
Pair 27% (unpaired board)
* 13.5% Ace makes TPWK
* 10% Ten makes TPTK
SD 14%
FD 11%

Will it dominate villains range or be dominated?
39 combos from his openening dominate
108 don’t
(both accounting for blockers)

Very good work sir!

And from these results you can go ahead and draw the conclusion that flatting is easily +EV. Everything is basically in you favor here.

The only thing is.A lot of your answers are extremely factual without a conclusion being drawn as to whether these facts are good or bad and what they mean. Yeah your hand flops this thing x amount and that thing Y amount, but the point is that, yeah it flops lots of stuff that gives you sd value,value betting hands and equity to do stuff with so it "plays wells/flops well"

And similarly on domination, the conclusions are you're not dominated very often and dominate villains holding s a fair bit.

It may seem weird using specific calculations and work to generate what may sound like vaguer conclusions. But what we ask in poker analysis is usually "is this good/bad and because of what factors? Doing the exact working will give you a feel for how to make these snugger judgments at the tables. Be sure you understand why these numbers make the play in question good/bad.

Really good effort, well done.

Thanks for them kind words, Boss.

Yeh - the putting-it-all-together thing....more homework required, methinks

A question: above analysis shows calling is +EV, but similar calcs seem to to suggest that 3Betting is even more +EV vs. nitty villain.

Is this where implied odds become a factor?

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

Thanks for them kind words, Boss.

Yeh - the putting-it-all-together thing....more homework required, methinks

A question: above analysis shows calling is +EV, but similar calcs seem to to suggest that 3Betting is even more +EV vs. nitty villain.

Is this where implied odds become a factor?

No, this is where the fact that you don't want to be 3bing 20% becomes a factor and other shit just thing of how you'll be playing your entire range.