playing AA preflop

is it a bad idea to limp with AA when first to act preflop, hoping for a raise and reraise or just raise to begin with. And if you do raise should u raise a little hoping to get reraised or raise 3 or 4 X the BB

One problem with slowplaying/check-raising AA preflop is that if it's the only hand you ever play that way with, you're giving away your hand when you do so. Further, what if no one else raises and someone limps with 98o from the blinds, only to flop two pair? There's no hard rules, but I wouldn't limp/slowplay very often, and when doing it, my idea behind it would be to mix up my play.

- Jeffrey

(I posted this in your other thread too)

I think it depends on what type of game you're playing. In my NL house game 3-5 X's the big blind seems to work in scaring people off but at the same time keeping one or two around. Sometimes I'll make it ridiculous, like 7-8 X's the big blind to make it look like I'm trying to steal, and I'll get called by a person or two. This works because the guys I play with make it a habit to raise huge when they don't want a call, they make it too obvious that "hey, I don't have crap, I'm just trying to buy this pot."

But online its a different story. In MTT's I'd say to raise it 3-5 X's the big blind, just like a house game. In ring-games, though, I guess it depends on what blinds you're using. In .01/.02 games you sometimes find tables where a .10 or .20 bet will get called by six or seven people, and you can be screwed. In this case you've just gotta bet huge on the flop to scare everyone away, if somebody calls or raises you're eff'ed.

I've also seen it the other way, where I've raised to .10 and everyone folds, and I pick up a weak .03. Just depends on the table and your blind structure.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George

But online its a different story.

Glad to hear you're playing online! Enjoy!

- Jeffrey

Here's one example of limping in UTG with AA:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...146&highlight=

I typically raise it 3xBB like a standard hand, though, but I do occasionally limp with it in early position. Its also not the only hand I'll limp from early position with, with small blinds, as I'll often limp with hands like small pocket pairs, suited connectors, Ax suited, AT or AJ possibly, KK or QQ occasionally, etc.

I rarely limp with AA but here is a hand i just played: I had reads on both players they are LAGs.

Seat 1: soccersteve1 ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: kabstn ($53.25 in chips)
Seat 4: usa1980 ($193.75 in chips)
Seat 5: 00ITR499 ($168 in chips)
Seat 6: rich_barker ($108.75 in chips)
Seat 7: larenzo1 ($174.75 in chips)
Seat 8: storminnna ($86.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Owhen ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Ayce [AS,AD] ($191.50 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
00ITR499 posts blind ($0.50), rich_barker posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
larenzo1 calls $1, storminnna folds, Owhen calls $1, Ayce calls $1, soccersteve1 calls $1, kabstn folds, usa1980 bets $8, 00ITR499 folds, rich_barker folds, larenzo1 folds, Owhen calls $7, Ayce calls $7, soccersteve1 folds.

FLOP [board cards QS,AH,KS ]
Owhen checks, Ayce checks, usa1980 bets $25, Owhen bets $43.75 and is all-in, Ayce calls $43.75, usa1980 calls $18.75.

TURN [board cards QS,AH,KS,7S ]
Ayce checks, usa1980 bets $75, Ayce calls $75.

RIVER [board cards QS,AH,KS,7S,7D ]
Ayce bets $64.75 and is all-in, usa1980 calls $64.75.

SHOWDOWN below


















Ayce shows [ AS,AD ]
usa1980 shows [ QH,KH ]
Owhen shows [ 10H,AC ]
Ayce wins $279.50

The thing is I very rarely limp AA so it means my opponents have difficulty putting me on that when i am being deceptive.

I routinely raise AA, slowplaying generally turns out to be a nightmare with it, although sometimes it is viable to do a limp/reraise only in LIMIT, but I don't even think that should be done.

I NEVER slow play rockets, I usually do a standard 2.5XBB raise when the blinds are high or a ·XBB raise when the blinds are at mid level. I raise these amounts with any two ill play 74o or AA so keeping your raises constant will help you to disguise your hand


-anto

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I think i have a different opinion than you guys b/c i play oin the lower limits, and an UTG raise doesnt lit a spark on peoples minds, and they will usually call with junk hands...KT QJ etc and i will pwn them post flop. You guys are probably right that in the higher levels limping is the right move when you are in EP b/c someone will probably raise


-anto

Originally Posted by elanto

I think i have a different opinion than you guys b/c i play oin the lower limits, and an UTG raise doesnt lit a spark on peoples minds, and they will usually call with junk hands...KT QJ etc and i will pwn them post flop. You guys are probably right that in the higher levels limping is the right move when you are in EP b/c someone will probably raise


-anto

I consider a UTG raise to be more scarier than a raise from any other position.

Originally Posted by dwarfman1990

Originally Posted by elanto

I think i have a different opinion than you guys b/c i play oin the lower limits, and an UTG raise doesnt lit a spark on peoples minds, and they will usually call with junk hands...KT QJ etc and i will pwn them post flop. You guys are probably right that in the higher levels limping is the right move when you are in EP b/c someone will probably raise


-anto

I consider a UTG raise to be more scarier than a raise from any other position.

again i didnt make myself clear, I know dwarf to me its also more scarier but for people on the LOWER LIMITS they dont realize this, and will treat an UTG raise the same as a button raise, for people who know a little bit about poker an UTG raise will be meaningful but most people who play low limit sng's on stars are clueless


-anto

Originally Posted by elanto

Originally Posted by dwarfman1990

Originally Posted by elanto

I think i have a different opinion than you guys b/c i play oin the lower limits, and an UTG raise doesnt lit a spark on peoples minds, and they will usually call with junk hands...KT QJ etc and i will pwn them post flop. You guys are probably right that in the higher levels limping is the right move when you are in EP b/c someone will probably raise


-anto

I consider a UTG raise to be more scarier than a raise from any other position.

again i didnt make myself clear, I know dwarf to me its also more scarier but for people on the LOWER LIMITS they dont realize this, and will treat an UTG raise the same as a button raise, for people who know a little bit about poker an UTG raise will be meaningful but most people who play low limit sng's on stars are clueless


-anto

Ah yeah you're right, I was discounting the retard factor.

Originally Posted by dwarfman1990

Originally Posted by elanto

Originally Posted by dwarfman1990

Originally Posted by elanto

I think i have a different opinion than you guys b/c i play oin the lower limits, and an UTG raise doesnt lit a spark on peoples minds, and they will usually call with junk hands...KT QJ etc and i will pwn them post flop. You guys are probably right that in the higher levels limping is the right move when you are in EP b/c someone will probably raise


-anto

I consider a UTG raise to be more scarier than a raise from any other position.

again i didnt make myself clear, I know dwarf to me its also more scarier but for people on the LOWER LIMITS they dont realize this, and will treat an UTG raise the same as a button raise, for people who know a little bit about poker an UTG raise will be meaningful but most people who play low limit sng's on stars are clueless


-anto

Ah yeah you're right, I was discounting the retard factor.

thats like the mos important factor hehe


-anto

Heyyyyyyyyyy you stole my avatar!!!!!!!!


-anto

haha sorry, i didnt steal it, it has been the background on my computer for quite a while now

Originally Posted by Ayce

I rarely limp with AA but here is a hand i just played: I had reads on both players they are LAGs.

Seat 1: soccersteve1 ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: kabstn ($53.25 in chips)
Seat 4: usa1980 ($193.75 in chips)
Seat 5: 00ITR499 ($168 in chips)
Seat 6: rich_barker ($108.75 in chips)
Seat 7: larenzo1 ($174.75 in chips)
Seat 8: storminnna ($86.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Owhen ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Ayce [AS,AD] ($191.50 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
00ITR499 posts blind ($0.50), rich_barker posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
larenzo1 calls $1, storminnna folds, Owhen calls $1, Ayce calls $1, soccersteve1 calls $1, kabstn folds, usa1980 bets $8, 00ITR499 folds, rich_barker folds, larenzo1 folds, Owhen calls $7, Ayce calls $7, soccersteve1 folds.

FLOP [board cards QS,AH,KS ]
Owhen checks, Ayce checks, usa1980 bets $25, Owhen bets $43.75 and is all-in, Ayce calls $43.75, usa1980 calls $18.75.

TURN [board cards QS,AH,KS,7S ]
Ayce checks, usa1980 bets $75, Ayce calls $75.

RIVER [board cards QS,AH,KS,7S,7D ]
Ayce bets $64.75 and is all-in, usa1980 calls $64.75.

SHOWDOWN below


















Ayce shows [ AS,AD ]
usa1980 shows [ QH,KH ]
Owhen shows [ 10H,AC ]
Ayce wins $279.50

The thing is I very rarely limp AA so it means my opponents have difficulty putting me on that when i am being deceptive.

With two limpers ahead of you, you'd think mediocre hands like KQs or ATo wouldn't want to raise preflop.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

I am in Michaels corner with this.....UTG sometimes it is a good idea to just call the bb...you have 7 or 8 players in front of you and with a little luck someone else caught a pocket pair and will raise the action for you...thats the idea of limping from early position or UTG is hoping someone else (more than 1 if you are lucky) bumps the action.

Its kind of a double edged sword though because we all know that slowplay often spanks your ass....but hey what are you gonna do. If you raise too much pre flop with rockets there is a good chance you scare out everyone and just take down the blinds.

Agreed. But if nobody raises and youre in a multiway pot, be prepared to let them go. Getting married to AA can be devastating to your stack.

Yeah, mimmons, it'd probably be best to change your avatar. Elanto's had that avatar on here for a long while, so when we see your avatar we think you're him. Its confusing to have two posters with identical avatars.

I also agree that its best to never slow play against fish (loose passive players). They're loose so they'll likely call, and they're passive, so its unlikely they'll raise you, so you can't reraise.

Its the opposite against tight aggressive players, as they're unlikely to call big raises and since they're aggressive, they're more likely to raise when they sense weakness (limping). You sometimes need to slowplay to build a pot when you have a monster against tight aggresssive players.

I never slowplay anything preflop behind limpers, though. You have to raise to limit the field. Open limping from UTG or UTG+1 is different.