Quote Originally Posted by minSim

more point: by raising or cring with your draws you may be forced to fold your draw if your opponent comes over the top of you again. this is 1 of the mian reasons i won't raise with my draws. I will however bet my draws often
Isn't the intention of betting/raising (besides FE) draws to get it all-in on the flop, either by calling or pushing yourself?

I think this is the last thing you want to do with most draws as you won't be getting sufficient pot odds to do this heads up, unless you have some sort of monster 15 out draw. A standard FD or OESD has 8 or 9 outs meaning you need at least 2 other players all in with you on the flop. The whole point of raising is to add folding equity to your pot odds, you want them to fold, but if they do call you still have some outs.


Am I correct?

With a set you want your opponents with draws to get it in on the flop, they won't have pot odds for it and you'll win in the long run. The whole point of playing a set fast is to try to get your whole stack in at some point, if a weak tight player has 1 pair you're probably not going to stack him but you still need to make a sufficiently big bet on the flop to enable your turn and river bets to get your whole stack in (hopefully) before he realises he's beat.
Checking the flop, then making a small bet on the turn and river for value doesn't have the highest expectation.


I'm still trying to get this part of my game worked out so if you don't agree with me i'd appreciate the discussion.