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PART 1-PREFLOP: How would you play against me w/ these stats, & what am I doing wrong

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    Default PART 1-PREFLOP: How would you play against me w/ these stats, & what am I doing wrong

    When I just starting playing online, I posted my old stats for the $2NL & 5NL full ring cash games tables I was playing. Well tens of thousands of hands later, I've gotten a little better, though I still need some serious improvement. I sometimes play $10NL now but not as well as $5NL, and I multi around 4-6 tables.

    Here are my preflop #'s. Let me know how you would play against me if you saw this info in your HUD. What are some of my a big PF leaks? How could I improve my game? I know I'm FAR from ideal, anything would be helpful. Btw, This first part will cover (mostly) my PREFLOP play; I'll post another on POSTFLOP in another thread). My last 15,000k hands:

    VPIP: 16 (ep 10 / mp 12 / co 20 / btn 27 / sb 24 / bb 12)
    PRF: 12 (ep 10 / mp 10 / co 17 / btn 20 / sb 15 / bb 5)

    3Bet preflop: 5.3
    Call 3Bet: 43
    4Bet range: 1.9
    Cold Call: 8.5
    Squeeze: 1.2
    Avr bet size: 4xbb + 1 per limper

    Att to Steal: 30 (from co 24 / btn 33 / sb 39)
    Folded SB to Steal: 76
    Folded BB to Steal: 79

    Postflop Agression: 5.0
    WSTD: 21
    W$SD: 44
    Last edited by rowhousepd; 01-20-2011 at 11:27 PM.
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    I don't see your winrate listed?
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    at a glance they don't look too bad.
    you could be tighter from UTG/+1, you are too loose from the small blind, and you call too many 3bets.

    oh, and you aren't doing a very good job of putting people on ranges post-flop (W$WSD etc)

    to exploit you i would play against you a lot when you open from ep and i have position, i would 3b a value range vs your opens, i would hammer your blinds if i was in a steal spot vs you and then profit post-flop with position
    Last edited by daven; 01-20-2011 at 07:00 PM.
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    You call too many 3bets imo. Your calling about 40% AND 5NL PLAYERS ARENT 3BETTING LIGHT/SEMIBLUFFING VERY OFTEN.
    Thats going to leak money.

    Thats the only thing I saw in your pre stats but thats big b/c 3bet pots are large to begin with even before the flop comes...
    Your postflop skills are prob the issue, you might be calling too many river bets from fish or take med hands too far etc...
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    I'd the 3b you purely for value w/ no bluffs, also these stats are worthless w/o knowing what you are doing postflop lol
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    Is there a point missing? You call 43% of 3bs or 4.3%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinland View Post
    Your postflop skills are prob the issue, you might be calling too many river bets from fish or take med hands too far etc...
    Ha, yes, definitely. I think my biggest issue is getting beat at the showdown (I'm not thrilled about winning less than half the time), and I think I'm not great at putting people on hands, perhaps bc w/ such huge ranges micro fish usually have, I'm often a little baffled when people show me their backdoor draws they made it after calling 2 or three barrels from me. ....but maybe it's bc I'm kind of a fish too. Sigh. Still a newbie.

    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    to exploit you i would play against you a lot when you open from ep and i have position, i would 3b a value range vs your opens, i would hammer your blinds if i was in a steal spot vs you and then profit post-flop with position
    What do you mean by 3betting a value range vs my opens? Also, what do ya think a more profitable fold to steal # would be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gafferland View Post
    Is there a point missing? You call 43% of 3bs or 4.3%
    Actually, I may be reading this stat wrong. I believe w/ HEM, calling 3bets (which is named "vs 3Bet Call%" and is on most of the default reports) means the 3Bets you call after your make a PFR. I don't think means the 3Bets you call cold. Does anyone know if that's how it works in HEM? PokerTracker may be different.

    (Postflop stats coming in a few mins. Gathering now.)
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    The follow up about my post flop stats are here. (Probably should have just made it one long post. Lol.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfredi View Post
    I don't see your winrate listed?
    Ha, oh yeah. Forgot that. Not good. -5.1 bb/100. (That's big blinds, not PTBB's)
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    I think ur stealing too much from the SB. Id be interested to see your Stole stat for SB. Typically Att. Steal BU>CO>SB. From the SB ur in bad shape when called.
    44% W$SD is pretty low with a 21% WTSD. Like daven rightly said you are probably failing to put villain on a range. Reading your posts confirms this. Your generally on the right track but often fail to explain the ranges you give the villain and therefore what equity you approximately have in the hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Openside View Post
    I think ur stealing too much from the SB. Id be interested to see your Stole stat for SB. Typically Att. Steal BU>CO>SB. From the SB ur in bad shape when called.
    Would be happy to give ya that number, but I'm not sure there is one for HEM -- or at least not one I'm finding. Anyone know if there is? Looking for something like "steal success" but I'm not seeing it.

    Your generally on the right track but often fail to explain the ranges you give the villain and therefore what equity you approximately have in the hand.
    Yup. Totally agree. That's what I'm working on. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rowhousepd View Post
    Ha, oh yeah. Forgot that. Not good. -5.1 bb/100. (That's big blinds, not PTBB's)
    So I guess you're winning small pots and losing more than half of the big pots?

    That's the real trick, isnt' it? I'm guessing that you're breaking even or winning for most of those 15,000 hands and just a few hands are putting you in the red.

    Just a guess, I'm no pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfredi View Post
    So I guess you're winning small pots and losing more than half of the big pots?

    That's the real trick, isnt' it? I'm guessing that you're breaking even or winning for most of those 15,000 hands and just a few hands are putting you in the red.
    You hit the nail on the head. I'm winning lots (comparatively) of little pots, especially if it doesn't go to the river (let alone the showdown), and most of the damage is by far a very small # of hands where I lose big. Uuug. Sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rowhousepd View Post
    You hit the nail on the head. I'm winning lots (comparatively) of little pots, especially if it doesn't go to the river (let alone the showdown), and most of the damage is by far a very small # of hands where I lose big. Uuug. Sucks.
    Uh yeah. I have the same problem. I'm trying to focus on the idea that small hands are for small pots and big pots should only be played for with monster hands. Or something like that.

    I'm trying to learn when to fold top pair type hands... instead of losing my stack.

    I think I've read here recently that you don't need '3 streets of value' with TPTK hands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfredi View Post
    I think I've read here recently that you don't need '3 streets of value' with TPTK hands?
    Meaning you should be barreling w/ TPTK (w/ plenty of exceptions of course) through the river? I'm a bit confused.

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