Outs Question

Is it possible to have 21 outs. I calculated and thats what i came up with in my head.

Yea. If you put your opponent on top pair, but you have two overcards that also make 4-to-a-flush and an open ended straight draw, you have 21 outs. 6 to pair one of the overcards, 9 to make the flush, 8 to make the straight, minus 2 that make the flush and the straight.

Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts

Yea. If you put your opponent on top pair, but you have two overcards that also make 4-to-a-flush and an open ended straight draw, you have 21 outs. 6 to pair one of the overcards, 9 to make the flush, 8 to make the straight, minus 2 that make the flush and the straight.

ty. I was correct this guy at the table tld me i a wrong i knew i was right. He said everyone who plays poker knows it is imposible to have 21 outs.

Originally Posted by Muxy

Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts

Yea. If you put your opponent on top pair, but you have two overcards that also make 4-to-a-flush and an open ended straight draw, you have 21 outs. 6 to pair one of the overcards, 9 to make the flush, 8 to make the straight, minus 2 that make the flush and the straight.

ty. I was correct this guy at the table tld me i a wrong i knew i was right. He said everyone who plays poker knows it is imposible to have 21 outs.

Keep playing with him and don't try to fix his stupidity Just smile and tell him he's reallllllly gooood.

JSP Handle: Poka Playa

lol

Thats him. PS JSP Is really fishy

Just for arguement's sake it is possible to have more then 21 outs

Assume you have

board is

Your opponnent has

So far he his ahead, but you have
9 to a flush
3 aces to a str8
3 9's to a str8
3 kings
3 jacks
3 tens for better two pair
3 queens for better two pair

Total of 27 outs

Originally Posted by TLR

Just for arguement's sake it is possible to have more then 21 outs

Assume you have

board is

Your opponnent has

So far he his ahead, but you have
9 to a flush
3 aces to a str8
3 9's to a str8
3 kings
3 jacks
3 tens for better two pair
3 queens for better two pair

Total of 27 outs

ur opponent is also an idiot. Thereofre idiot opponents = more outs! BRILIANT. I like how more than half the deck helps you.

ur opponent is also an idiot. Thereofre idiot opponents = more outs! BRILIANT. I like how more than half the deck helps you.

Not neccessirly

In Heads up there may be situations where gonig AI with 33 or with KJs is justified

ya but i cant remember the last time i bothered counting outs in heads up play.

at a full ring I cant imagine anyone with such a godo read to continue playoing pocket threes to the turn. So in order for this sitation to actually occur, it woudl require quiet an idiot to get so attached to his 33 that he will go so far with it. And then proceed to bet with it in a manner that you have to bother counting outs to see if ur hand is good enough.

Originally Posted by TLR

Just for arguement's sake it is possible to have more then 21 outs

Assume you have

board is

Your opponnent has

So far he his ahead, but you have
9 to a flush
3 aces to a str8
3 9's to a str8
3 kings
3 jacks
3 tens for better two pair
3 queens for better two pair

Total of 27 outs

you have nine to a flush, but only 2 A's to a straight (Can't count the A of clubs twice. Same with the nine of clubs.) There's not as many outs here as it appears. Regardless, with that many outs, you are seldom not going to have sufficient odds to draw.

"but only 2 A's to a straight (Can't count the A of clubs twice. Same with the nine of clubs.)"

I think you're forgetting the fourth suit? A of clubs is one out, the other three suits are three outs, no? *looking over it again, i think i know what you meant but you just explained it wrong. the outs are wrong, but there are not 9 flush outs, the 8 and 3 of clubs are not outs, so there are 7 flush outs, for 25 total. there are still 4 aces and 4 9's though.

The outs are 4 aces, 3 kings, 3 queens, 3 jacks, 3 tens, 4 nines, 1 seven, 1 six, 1 five, 1 four, 1 two.