OOP QQ 3way

UTG is 15/11 AFq 53 over 733 hands

CO is 22/18 AFq 67 over 360 hands



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saw flop

CO ($10)
Button ($3.95)
Hero (SB) ($13.23)
BB ($3.24)
UTG ($9.11)
MP1 ($6.04)
MP2 ($3.79)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
UTG bets $0.50, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold


UTG preflop range is 99+ ( he limps/calls 22-88 in EP), AQ+
CO preflop range is: 22-JJ, AQ,AJ, suited broadways, Axs, 45s+ ( he is 3betting QQ+, AK vs any opener, never just calls these)

i didnt 3bet cause of UTG's range, if i 3bet i should raise it up to 2$ and UTG will shove QQ+,AKs ( i have 30% equity vs that range so i would have to fold my QQ) and fold everything else, and CO will not call a shove with his PF range, but if UTG folds he will call my 3bet with any PP.

Flop: ($1.60) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $1.36, UTG calls $1.36, CO calls $1.36

its a wet flop and by betting i will get called by a lot worse and get value, but i am afraid of UTG range cause he's flatting all here.

UTG flop: AKss, 99,TT,he does float flops like this with AKo, but i am not sure he does it 3way, also he flatts here sets and overpairs

CO flop: KJs,QJs,AJs,JTs,KTs, QTs,99,TT,89s,56s, Axss, i am pretty sure he raises 77,88,JJ, 9Ts,78s( so when he calls i put him just on draws and TP)


Turn: ($5.68) (3 players)

the 2h changes nothing in their range.

if i bet:
UTG will call turn bet on AKs,99,TT ( 13 combos) and shove JJ+ (16 combos, QQ included )

probably CO calls on his FD, or straight + FD cause he will get a good price to chase them.

if i check:

UTG will check 99,TT,AKss and bet JJ+

i am not sure how CO will react on my check and UTG's bet.

so,first, should i 3bet pre to get HU with CO but fold to a UTG 4bet/shove? as played, how should i play turn? b/c , c/c or c/f?

damn...114 views and no reply/// this is either a very simple hand and i am too stupid to see it or its damn hard and no one knows whats the best play on turn....

i'm finding it hard personally. the stack sizes are weird so that you kind of can't bet/fold. the right play on the turn has a lot to do with what hands we can exclude/discount from your opponents' flop calling ranges because they called and didn't raise imo. you say that UTG flats all sets and overpairs. do you have a read which indicates he will be doing this? the board is pretty wet, i'd expect them (well UTG mostly because his range is stronger) to be raising your flop lead at least some amount of the time with these hands. thoughts?

as you have seen, i have over 700 hands on UTG and i know for a fact that he just calls overpairs and sets on flop, his just raising them on turn if he has them, i would raise that wet flop and many would, but he doesnt, this is why i am confused on how to play the turn. i am not afraid of CO cause he is deff raising flop on straights and sets.

3bet preflop. bet turn. jam any non spade river

whats utg's ATS

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

whats utg's ATS

what the fuck?

Originally Posted by Donachello

what the fuck?

probrem officer?

Doing this real fast here but I 3bet/fold pre. If everyone folded after UTG I might flat (but prob not) but with a caller in between and having QQ OOP i 3bet, the last thing you want to see is a K or A hit the flop after flatting.

Bet turn 3.50, shove safe river.

Doesn't ATS = attempt to steal aka only calculates from stealing positions? Do you mean RFI? because that would be relevant.

ATS is important cause it shows positional awareness.

Obviously ATS obvious infers obvious positional awareness mr. obvious obviously. There is no such thing as utg ATS. I am just trying to clarify what fish is asking for.

ATS doesn't directly give us any relevant info but it can help us with assessing his late position play which can help us put him on a more accurate range utg

Originally Posted by Donachello

Obviously ATS obvious infers obvious positional awareness mr. obvious obviously. There is no such thing as utg ATS. I am just trying to clarify what fish is asking for.

i think he's trying to infer we should flat pre if he doesn't open much EP, or 3b pre if he has the same 11% from like every position.

You don't look at ATS to work this out, you can just look at their raising %'s from all positions. at least in HEM anyway (it's in the main pop-up)

I would just flat pre because:
a) He's UTG
b) lol 3betting from the blinds vs UTG is like super strong (range wise)
c) QQ isnt that hard to play post flop oop in a single raised
d) getting 4b sucks

also, donking the flop is pretty stupid too. Just check and play some poker, esp if UTG cbets a fair %. I guess if his cbet is v low donking might be fine. What you gunna do if UTG raises? or CO raises, or you get called in both spots.

my donking range isn't very balanced, but I don't really think it needs to be at small/micro levels. I'd be donking here with my combo draws and sometimes sets some of the time, but just depends on how much UTG cbets and how much % CO bets when checked to vs missed cbet etc etc. The only reason I can think to donk here is if UTG cbet % is v low and you can get him to fold all his air/low pp type hands and if CO is a super tard who'd get in a bare FD or call 3 streets with TP.

o sorry ive never used the popups thing but yeah positional stats would be more helpful

by not donking the flop i am giving a free card on a very wet flop and there are a lot of worse hands that would call... i would deff fold to a raise on flop. i am not thinking flop right?

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saw flop

CO ($10)
Button ($3.95)
Hero (SB) ($13.23)
BB ($3.24)
UTG ($9.11)
MP1 ($6.04)
MP2 ($3.79)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
UTG bets $0.50, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.60) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $1.36, UTG calls $1.36, CO calls $1.36

Turn: ($5.68) (3 players)
Hero bets $3.78,

i bet the turn cause i am still getting value from CO's draws and his TP if UTG folds, if he also calls then he's AKss or 99/TT and doesnt let go of them.

UTG raises to $7.25 (All-In), CO calls $7.25, Hero?

when UTG went all in i am sure he is JJ+ and CO has a hand like TP+FD/gutshot+FD type of hand.

pot is 23.96 and i have left 3.5... i am getting like 7:1 pot odds... cant fold here right? would any of you c/f and why if so?

i am sure he is JJ+...pot is 23.96 and i have left 3.5... i am getting like 7:1 pot odds... cant fold here right

You know how to calculate this, right? Guess I don't have to paste that link AGAIN...

For the rest of the hand, I don't think I donk the flop either, and I'd take a passive line here. If I was going to donk, I would bet much less, like 2/3rd of the pot. As played, you got called hopefully by worse hands, which was your plan, and the turn card changes nothing so there is no reason not to bet now. But I would also bet much less, probably $2.3 because value suddenly got much thinner after being called in two spots. c/f would probably not be horrible either imo. If any of them bets when checked to, you know you're beat and you can safely fold. Giving a free card is not that big a mistake considering that if they have draws they already paid almost the correct price for two cards on the flop.

Your sizing got you in big trouble here because you committed yourself with a hand that is not that strong considering the board and the opponents.

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