Are online sites set up???

Little about me
I've been playing online for about 3 yrs now, I like to think im pretty good. I don't usually play ring games but I will sit down to the occasional 3/6 nl, I usually don't play anything smaller than that now. I pretty much concentrate on multy table 20 and 30 dollar sit and goes and I will play the ocasiall 50 sit and go, just cuz my bankroll can't support the jump yet. I try to take in regular tournaments depending on how much time I have.

Okay well here's my observation

Okay I know I have heard the arguments before and for the most part I think sites such as pokerstars and party are pretty reliable. I know the casinos make alot of money from the rake, and there's no reason for them to screw a good thing up. But I have come a across a few things and different sites and before all the hardcores jump down my throat and call me a newbie or fish just hear me out.

1. (RING GAME) When I play at absolute poker, (I haven't played there for like 2 months now) when I have pocket pair I hit my set on the flop, but it turns out someone else hits there set as well but there's is usually hirer than mine. The first few times this happened I thought well it must just be a statistical anomaly. But the more I play at absolute the more I saw it happening. I usually multy table (4 tables) for about 3 hours and I would see that happening at least 2 times every session. It seemed like every time I got mid sized pair someone else had a higher mid size pair and they were coming over top of me. Or there would be 3 people who hit sets on the flop. I would like to know what the chances of that happening are? 3 people hitting sets? But when I play tourneys or sit and goes this never happens, or very rarely. I also multy table tourneys. When I play in B&M casinos this situation basically never happens. Don't tell me this is because of the speed at which hands are dealt online is faster than in the B&M casinos. I put in about 10 hrs a week in the casino and I have see that happen yet!!!

2. When I sit down at larger ring table games I see the same people playing, and there usually ahead. Initially my thought was these people are grinding it out and making a good living at it. But don't you think its possible that these people are employed by the website to bring in more money? Ie they can see you hands and bet into you to take you money?

3. When I multi table at ring games and tourney's I notice that I get dealt the same hand and different tables i.e. I get dealt 10 9 os at both tables. I noticed this happening alot more times than it should. Why is that? The hand squence numbers (number in the top right which tell you which hand your dealt) are spread out by at least 50.



So basicly my theory is that online poker rooms aren't rigged in the sense that they deal rigged hands, Isn't it possible they deal hands that will increase the pot size(ie mulitple sets) to increase there rake? And don't you think its possible that the casino has people that work for them online playing unfairly by seeing your hands and banking the money for the corporation?

Please dont' bash just give me your honest opinion and why you think this wrong or right. Thanks!!

i pull 43.7% of the strings and coutie pulls the other 56.3

All of the points you raise have been comprehensively addressed in lots of other threads. I think courtie was going to put together a link in the stickies when she gets a chance.

Short answer - at least at the major sites, no it's not rigged and no there are no shills.

majority position: absolutely not rigged. just variance. if you see absurd shit, your eyes are lying and your selective memory is lying.


minority position: possibly (very) subtly rigged. shills might be present at smaller rooms. god mode accounts (i.e. can see your hands) possible. don't worry too much, you can still win. just might reduce your win rate a little. if you keep losing at a particular site, or at a particular game, or against particular people, play somewhere else


dumbass position: R1GGED!

God mode accounts simply cannot be possible at any established site, in my opinion. It would be impossible to keep all the involved parties quiet: software programmers, players, management, etc. Eventually someone becomes a disgruntled ex-employee and blows the whistle. The amount of damage this would cause to the reputation of the site would be incalculable. The huge risk would be nowhere near the miniscule reward, so I say no way.

Originally Posted by sauce123

i pull 43.7% of the strings and coutie pulls the other 56.3

obviously this is wrong. Having won the BBj twice, i pull ALL the strings.

By the way, at $3/$6 the rake is usually capped on the flop so the hands don't matter. Rake is a max of $3 whether your at $5/$10 or $.50/$1.00.


By the way, most of those players you always see ahead night in and night out, post here or on 2+2. They learn to beat the game. You should too. You talk about not having the BR for $50 S&G's and you mulitable $3/$6, probably not a good idea unless your BR is $12K or more. But then you'd play the $50 S&G's hmmm

obviously rigged

Originally Posted by deacon_bluez

God mode accounts simply cannot be possible at any established site, in my opinion. It would be impossible to keep all the involved parties quiet: software programmers, players, management, etc. Eventually someone becomes a disgruntled ex-employee and blows the whistle. The amount of damage this would cause to the reputation of the site would be incalculable. The huge risk would be nowhere near the miniscule reward, so I say no way.

At Absolute they have already been confirmed to exist and there have been problems in the past with cheating due to it.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by deacon_bluez

God mode accounts simply cannot be possible at any established site, in my opinion. It would be impossible to keep all the involved parties quiet: software programmers, players, management, etc. Eventually someone becomes a disgruntled ex-employee and blows the whistle. The amount of damage this would cause to the reputation of the site would be incalculable. The huge risk would be nowhere near the miniscule reward, so I say no way.

At Absolute they have already been confirmed to exist and there have been problems in the past with cheating due to it.

thanks for replying for me

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

By the way, at $3/$6 the rake is usually capped on the flop so the hands don't matter. Rake is a max of $3 whether your at $5/$10 or $.50/$1.00.


By the way, most of those players you always see ahead night in and night out, post here or on 2+2. They learn to beat the game. You should too. You talk about not having the BR for $50 S&G's and you mulitable $3/$6, probably not a good idea unless your BR is $12K or more. But then you'd play the $50 S&G's hmmm

why do you have to be a dickhead? Just give your opionion and stop bashing. Upset i can do it and you can't?

Thanks everyone for the feedback

Originally Posted by exsentrik

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

By the way, at $3/$6 the rake is usually capped on the flop so the hands don't matter. Rake is a max of $3 whether your at $5/$10 or $.50/$1.00.


By the way, most of those players you always see ahead night in and night out, post here or on 2+2. They learn to beat the game. You should too. You talk about not having the BR for $50 S&G's and you mulitable $3/$6, probably not a good idea unless your BR is $12K or more. But then you'd play the $50 S&G's hmmm

why do you have to be a dickhead? Just give your opionion and stop bashing. Upset i can do it and you can't?

Thanks everyone for the feedback

Ermm.. WTF?

Who are you having a go at? And what for exactly?

Originally Posted by exsentrik

Upset i can do it and you can't?

you are an idiot.

ban

Originally Posted by exsentrik

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

By the way, at $3/$6 the rake is usually capped on the flop so the hands don't matter. Rake is a max of $3 whether your at $5/$10 or $.50/$1.00....

why do you have to be a dickhead? Just give your opionion and stop bashing. Upset i can do it and you can't?

Woah. Easy there, exsentrik. I don't see that Jym was being a dickhead at all. Just trying to be helpful.

Maybe it's not the reply/advice you were seeking, but this is the beginners forum.

It's ok. He's obviously upset because he's been getting beat online and came here hoping to get confirmation of rigged poker to feel better. I was just giving him some proper advice. If he wants to hear that the sites are rigged and it's not his ability's in question then so be it. He had all the answers when he came here already. Maybe we should listen to him and not the 3 billion hands that have been logged in Poker Tracker by the regulars on this site.

I'd also like to add this is the same guy that got involved in challenging Gabe and others in the highs stakes forum last year. Check these out
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...asc&highlight=
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...asc&highlight=

He's a grade A piece of shit that thinks his poker is unbeatable. He's a losing player on sharkscope and he has no ability to talk normally in this forum. Every time you question his thinking he goes off.

Jyms - So sorry if I just didn't see it, but did stumpbucket every play out his challenge? Jus' curious...

Is anyone else tired of the weekly retard coming on FTR to share his investigation on yet another “rigged” site? Christ. My final words of advice to the conspiracy theorists:

1. Pokerstars steals your money legally, and they tell you how they do it. They take a rake off of every flop pot, and skim the top off of SNG and MTT buy-ins. They are making EASY MONEY by doing nothing but make sure all the cogs are turning. If people are smart enough to create these million-dollar online poker rooms, they are smart enough NOT to take stupid risks (telling Bob, Dave, Joe, and a bunch of other fucktarded wage-slaves to rig up flops, create God accounts, etc. and then watch all the customers go bye-bye when the info mysteriously leaks)

2. You are NOT Daniel Negreanu. You’re not even a pro. You MIGHT be a decent amateur facing bad variance. But let me tell you: every single member on here believes that one: he is good and two: he’s on a tremendous downswing.

…

HAHAHAHAAHAHA

3. Take your bad beats like a man. Stop turning red in the face, jerking the computer screen, then bitching at the first person you see (I guess your mom wasn’t home today, so a poker forum full of randoms will have to do). I’ve told maybe a thousand bad beat stories. Know what I’ve realized? It doesn’t make me feel any better, and everyone around me feels a lot worse, because they couldn’t give less of a fuck about the “well I had the nut flush draw and top pair, and he had an oesd on the turn, and he had like 8 percent… and well… WAAAAAAA”). If I met a card player who never said a single word about a bad beat that he received, I would immediately, without even observing his play, qualify him as a good poker player.

4. You are *NOT* Daniel Negreanu. Reread this line a few times.

At this point all I hear from this posts are thus:

Originally Posted by exsentrik

THE SKY IS FALLING!

I’m just tired of it, that’s all. Oh and one last word of advice. I don’t pretend to be the grammar police; I never concern myself when people “loose there money.” However, for all the beginners out there: Never trust the advice of anyone who “lost to a *hirer* poker pair.” I mean damn!

Not saying anyone has yet, but this is just a warning that I don't want to see any flaming. I'll probably just delete your post if you do and mention your name next time we decide who our weekly bannings are gonna be.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

It's ok. He's obviously upset because he's been getting beat online and came here hoping to get confirmation of rigged poker to feel better. I was just giving him some proper advice. If he wants to hear that the sites are rigged and it's not his ability's in question then so be it. He had all the answers when he came here already. Maybe we should listen to him and not the 3 billion hands that have been logged in Poker Tracker by the regulars on this site.

I'd also like to add this is the same guy that got involved in challenging Gabe and others in the highs stakes forum last year. Check these out
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...asc&highlight=
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...asc&highlight=

He's a grade A piece of shit that thinks his poker is unbeatable. He's a losing player on sharkscope and he has no ability to talk normally in this forum. Every time you question his thinking he goes off.

lol well said

exsentrik, non-profit organizations and prestigious universities analyze millions of hands to see if poker site's random number generators are working correctly and with fairness. Your knowledge (or lack thereof) of basic principles and general immaturity will make you a losing player forever. Please grow up, read, watch videos. Do whatever you can to get over this losing attitude and become a winning player. Or if you want, keep donating to much better players than you.

I HANDLE TEH DOOMSWITCH ON STARS! LEE JONES IS MY BIATCH! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Originally Posted by exsentrik

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

By the way, at $3/$6 the rake is usually capped on the flop so the hands don't matter. Rake is a max of $3 whether your at $5/$10 or $.50/$1.00.


By the way, most of those players you always see ahead night in and night out, post here or on 2+2. They learn to beat the game. You should too. You talk about not having the BR for $50 S&G's and you mulitable $3/$6, probably not a good idea unless your BR is $12K or more. But then you'd play the $50 S&G's hmmm

why do you have to be a dickhead? Just give your opionion and stop bashing. Upset i can do it and you can't?

Thanks everyone for the feedback

Last I checked he was the one with the problem. You split the topic lock it and get the last word. Nice! Then you want to PM me and tell me that PM's are for this shit. You very easily could have done the same and I could have edited my post. Well done, follow your own advice.

wtf?

Why is everyone acting like a n00b?

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

wtf?

Why is everyone acting like a n00b?

haha my thoughts exactly. way to go exsentrik.

what happened to those strike things anyway?

Courtie lol hypocrodoodles

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by deacon_bluez

God mode accounts simply cannot be possible at any established site, in my opinion. It would be impossible to keep all the involved parties quiet: software programmers, players, management, etc. Eventually someone becomes a disgruntled ex-employee and blows the whistle. The amount of damage this would cause to the reputation of the site would be incalculable. The huge risk would be nowhere near the miniscule reward, so I say no way.

At Absolute they have already been confirmed to exist and there have been problems in the past with cheating due to it.

thanks for replying for me

No problem, albeit the Absolute situation is the exception to the rule. There's a bit about it if you're good with 2+2's search function.

OP, you and I both suck at poker. Just face it. Seriously. We have a natural reaction to losing that makes us look for comfort, and our comfort comes from justifying in our own minds why we suck at poker. Once we truly recognize this, we can start channeling the energy we use in making excuses to do more productive things, like not suck as bad at poker. We're both similar in these ways.

We are different, however, in one key aspect. You're still stuck on the conspiracy theory phase of your development in this area, while I am not.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by sauce123

i pull 43.7% of the strings and coutie pulls the other 56.3

obviously this is wrong. Having won the BBj twice, i pull ALL the strings.

I've got a string you can pull

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

He's a grade A piece of shit that thinks his poker is unbeatable...Every time you question his thinking he goes off.

been there. take it easy, ex. most of us have been there.

youre in phase one still...UNCONSCIOUS INCOMPETENT (you dont know you are bad)
youre looking for #2.......CONSCIOUS INCOMPETENT (the light bulb goes on...ding)

Originally Posted by bigslikk

Is anyone else tired of the weekly retard coming on FTR to share his investigation on yet another “rigged” site?

But let me tell you: every single member on here believes that one: he is good and two: he’s on a tremendous downswing.

Put this in the BC sticky please.

phase #3, finding/banging Chopper's avatar

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

phase #3, finding/banging Chopper's avatar

haha no shit

phase 3....BOIIIIIING! sorry, off topic, but couldnt resist the compliment.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

what happened to those strike things anyway?

Who wants a Strike?

Are they free? I'm kinda short after my recent expertly induced downswing....

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