the old "limp RR"

saw a nice "move" today.

the old "limp RR," but it was a sooted conn instead of the AA we are accustomed to seeing.

seems like nice way to 3bet light, but is it profitable with small sc's?

villain limps in lp. i raise to $1 in sb. another limper calls my raise. and villain RRes to $4.

seems to me, that you are spending a hefty amount to buy the pot pf...and if called, you almost have to fire a big cbet, too, dont you?

seems expensive for how rarely a sc hits a flop hard.

I stopped taking these very seriously a couple years ago. Particularly when done by players I don't take very seriously to begin with.

I never see LRRs anymore. Used to be pretty common with big hands a long time ago.

I wouldn't make a habit of doing it myself, I certainly don't think it's profitable with SCs and stupid with big pairs except in extenuating circumstances.

I did attempt it in one spot at 1/2 live a few weeks ago. Biggest donkey I ever played with is directly on my left, has opened every hand to $15-$50 for about 8 hands in a row. Table is loosening up greatly and I decide to try and felt AA, hopefully 3-way with a middle-sized stack in between us. Donkey limps for the first (and last, I think) time of the night and I see a 5-way pot. Won it on the flop, oddly, with zero resistance from donkey. Still was a disappointment.

More disappointing was that the guy lost about $1100 at $100 min/max in less than 2 hours and I didn't get a dime of it other than that BB.

can you recommend calling it, though, at 25NL w/o a power hand?

say you hold AT-AJ, maybe A9s, KJ-KQ, QJ, QTs, maybe JTs...would those be in your calling range? assume villain is more loose than you pf, and rather aggressive.

I see the LRR at 100nl fr on PokerStars nearly every single day, multiple times a day. I make a note if I see that they have done it with a big pair, then adjust the odds I want calling with smaller pocket pairs. I figure I know a lot about their hand plus I'm in position, so it's justified to call given 12x or more.

I dont like this play with SC's. Just dont see how its profittable.

yeah, i dont either...i just thought it was very strange given the holding.

he has to think, when called, that he's in for an expensive bluff unless he gets super lucky.

I think it's an interesting play actually. Everyone sees a limp/raise and thinks it's AA/KK. If it isn't raised, you don't lose a lot of value from the hand like you do with high pairs. If it is raised, you have a good chance of taking it down with a reraise, as everyone suspects the worst. If they call your RR, hey, you have a SC and may actually hit this flop. I can see that it could actually be profitable.

thats why i posted it...it looks like a dumbass move, but if your villains think it has to be a huge pair, then, it works unless youre up against one...then you have two live cards to suck out on them plus the straight draw, plus the flush draw.

after he won, i think he showed...as thats the only way i would know what he had. i said something to the effect of "wow, ballsy."

and he said, "had to end it right away." he knew that most players would put him on AA/KK, and with any A or K, he had the cbet to work with as well.

I think it's an interesting play actually. Everyone sees a limp/raise and thinks it's AA/KK. If it isn't raised, you don't lose a lot of value from the hand like you do with high pairs. If it is raised, you have a good chance of taking it down with a reraise, as everyone suspects the worst. If they call your RR, hey, you have a SC and may actually hit this flop. I can see that it could actually be profitable.

It certainly is an interesting creative play, and I quite like the sound of it if your using it to mix up your play and only doing it rarely, but doing it too often looks like a money losing play.

I'm gonna try this ten times tonight and post my results.