and fatguy, i think that flop bet is good. because the flop texture is such that there is only one broadway and two raggy cards, its a great flop to get value from middle pairs, QJ, KJ, plus the fact that there is a flushdraw and some suited connectors flopped a straight draw, and your villain likes to call lots, makes a close to potsize bet a good option here for both value against his pair hands, and charging the potential draws.