NLHE Rule Check

If the shove is not at least the min to count as a raise, then you can't re-raise, because the overshove was technically not a "bet".

OK, cheers 3M

it seems kinda weird to me coz the other 2 players are forced to see another card if they want to continue, whereas for the shortie it's academic as he's done with betting whatever happens.

it also means that if we're leading out in a spot like this we can only raise to >=50% of the shortstack to ensure that this doesn't occur

or am i missing something?

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

OK, cheers 3M

it seems kinda weird to me coz the other 2 players are forced to see another card if they want to continue, whereas for the shortie it's academic as he's done with betting whatever happens.

it also means that if we're leading out in a spot like this we can only raise to >=50% of the shortstack to ensure that this doesn't occur

or am i missing something?

Not exactly sure what you are saying, but the other player to act after the shorties shove, can still re-raise if he wants (I think). While the shorties shove isn't a full raise, the other villain still hasn't acted, and can re-raise himself. If he calls however, all you can do is call/fold, since the shorties shove isn't a minimum raise.

So say you lead for $10, shorty shoves for $18 total ($8 more to you), another villain left to act could raise ($26 or more I believe), but if he calls, you can only call the $8 or fold.

Having a shorty likely to shove can add for some interesting betsizing choices in spots. Such as betting an amount less than 50% of the shorties stack, so that when he shoves it re-opens the action for you to re-raise, trapping additional money from other villains in the pot. Example: You bet, villain calls, shorty shoves, you shove, villain folds. Which wouldn't have been possible had you bet >50% of the shorties stack, as you would bet, villain call, shorty shove, you can only call/fold, giving other villain very good odds to call.

Originally Posted by Stacks

Not exactly sure what you are saying...

well, nor am i, hence the OP. i just don't know wot the rule is.

so between wot u and yaawn say - - - if i raise and shorty shoves to less than a full raise, it's deemed to be a call. and if any of the players left to act after just call the mini-shove and no-one re-raises, then i can only call or fold on that street.

is that right?