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  1. #1

    Default Newbie question : KK

    Hi guys, I have been reading FTR for a few days now and this is my first post on this great forum !

    I'm posting here following the guideline for posting hands, I hope this is the right place (first posted on Tilt forum as instructed then redirected here).

    Could you please tell me if I'm doing something terribly wrong or is this just bad beat.

    The winner of the hand was playing LAGG.
    So I have KK and raise 3BB preflop. JJ come on flop and I play it carefully (raised 2BB) scanning the other players to see if someone has a J in hand. Seems not, CO raises only 10cts on river which tended to make me think of a blocking bet. I did not suspect someone was going after the flush at this point and could not destroy the pot odds by raising on flop or turn because of those JJ...

    I would love to hear you guys about this hand !


    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP2) ($2.71)
    MP3 ($0.98)
    CO ($1.70)
    Button ($4.54)
    SB ($2)
    BB ($3.84)
    UTG ($5.44)
    UTG+1 ($0.97)
    MP1 ($0.69)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
    UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, BB calls $0.04, UTG calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.31) 2, J, J (5 players)
    BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.04, CO calls $0.04, BB calls $0.04, 2 folds

    Turn: ($0.43) 2 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold

    River: ($0.55) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

    Total pot: $0.75


    This is once again my first post, I hope it is understandable !

    Cheers
    Last edited by Tamis; 03-10-2010 at 03:53 PM.
  2. #2
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    Welcome.

    Some thoughts, good first attempt.

    The key to poker is to not think about poeple having X or not having X. It is about thinking what hands are possible, and how your hand stacks up against the RANGE of there hand. This will make a lot of sense soon enough.

    Like for example when you raise preflop, your callers have a range of hands that is something like 22+ (means pocket twos and higher), suited connectors, and a bunch of suited aces (like Ace of hearts and a 2 of hearts), They also have a bunch of jt hands, but overall on the flop the number of hands that missed this flop FAR FAR FAR out number hands that hit, and most importantly you bet because many worse hands call you, like flush draws and lower pocket pairs.

    But, you bet small, which allows even pocket 33 to continue profitable, not to mention any flush draw.

    Try downloading PokerStove: Poker Software and Analysis it is the base of poker.

    !luck
  3. #3
    Hey man
    I think the biggest mistake you made here is not betting big enough.
    As a rule of thumb, preflop, you should bet 4x bb(big blind) plus 1 bb for every limper. So that means raising to 12 cents in this spot.
    This will make hand reading easier as it narrows the range that opponents will call with.
    And after the flop, you should always aim at betting half the pot to the full pot. This will make all the draws draw -EV.
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    You need to adjust your bet sizing in relation to the size of the pot. You want to be betting at least 2/3 the pot when youre betting for value.

    Betting so small on the flop and turn is more or less giving villain free cards to draw on.
    Tilt is poker cancer. You catch it, you die.
  5. #5
    Ok guys !
    Thanks a lot Applying your advices relative to bet sizes with success appart from some occasionnal bad beats. Balance is positive though !

    Cheers
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    Don't be afraid to put money in with the worst hand. The only thing that matters is that you win the hand more often than not. Bet as much as you think they will call with worse.

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